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    Water Restrictions

    Cisco has announced they are in stage two water rationing.
    Not even summer yet, but they still plan on building a big business park to lure in hundreds more people in.
    Abilene and Brownwood like Cisco and Eastland, have oversold their water supply, yet continue to pursue growth that they are not able to sustain. Like two dinosaurs fighting to eat one another, Abilene laid a water line to Hubbard Lake outside Breckenridge, drained it, and now are trying to lay one to Brownwood and finish them off.
    Yet another $2 million dollar grant has been awarded to Eastland and Carbon to drill water wells. So now their selfishness extends to robbing rural residents of their underground well water. The water tables have been dropping for several years, so there is only enough water for some of the farmers.
    Lake Hubbard:
    http://abilene.craigslist.org/boa/3502505806.html

    We could be here:
    During the past couple of years when surrounding towns were putting severe restrictions on water usage due to drought, Strawn never came close to needing any restrictions. In 1999 Tucker Lake’s dam was raised four feet and this has helped ward off the need for restrictions. According to engineers, if there was no more rainfall, the lake would sustain Strawn’s needs for another three years.
    http://www.microplexnews.com/city-of...s-tucker-lake/
    ....but to do so will require ten percent of the voters to sign a petition to repeal the economic development sales tax in Cisco and Eastland to put the brakes on growth, while we still have something worth salvaging here.
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    The cities of Ranger and Eastland met yesterday and each had an item on the agenda concerning action regarding participation in a settlement agreement between the Eastland County Water Supply District and Hanlon Gas. Ranger met yesterday morning and approved contributing $27,500 toward a settlement proposal to buy back the pipeline easement Hanlon Gas Company now holds. Eastland met yesterday evening and agreed to contributing $50,000. The Eastland County Water Supply District will meet tonight at 6:00 p.m. to discuss this matter.
    http://www.microplexnews.com/pipelin...-ladder-truck/

    In the end, Commissioner Vernon made a motion, Commissioner Rossander seconded and it was approved unanimously that they pursue the purchase of this ladder truck. They will use $40,000 they should receive from the sale of engine #619 added to the $70,000 they have already earmarked for a ladder truck towards it’s purchase. This would bring the amount to finance down to around $600,000 which would be stretched out over 20 years. Added to this motion was the condition that the fire department would draw up a set of guidelines and policy concerning the operation of the ladder truck.
    http://www.microplexnews.com/pipelin...-ladder-truck/
    $50 thousand here....$70 thousand there...$600 thousand...where is it all coming from?
    Don't kid yourselves, it is coming out of your pockets. Repeal the economic development sales tax from Cisco and Eastland.
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    If I had known Cisco needed a ladder truck, I could have picked one up for near 40,000 last week.
    With a recent inframe overhaul and recent pump overhaul.
    A 93 model 75 ft ladder truck with 100,000 miles.

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    Fire apparatus salesman give a few bucks trade in for these trucks, then sell them for a fortune. It is Eastland, not Cisco who is looking for one. The two towns should have partnered on the one you are talking about. The County should buy the brush truck from Eastland that will be for sale, finish it, and find another one, then the County can be free of their obligations to the two cities when they have their own fire department. Their volunteers can also be free of the turmoil.
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    Sounds like they could learn a few things from Wayland VFD.
    That dept has it all together, I have a second cousin over there thats one of the reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    $50 thousand here....$70 thousand there...$600 thousand...where is it all coming from?
    Don't kid yourselves, it is coming out of your pockets. Repeal the economic development sales tax from Cisco and Eastland.
    You quoted 2 different subjects, and tried to roll them both into your typical hatred of economic development. I'll try to unroll them.

    First, it seems that Hanlon has prevailed in their attempt at blackmail. Looks like the cities and the water board have evaluated the cost of a trial versus paying them to go away. And, paying them off won. That's sad.

    The whole ladder truck debate isn't tied to economic development. It's an effort to service the existing structures, and possibly reduce everyone's insurance premiums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    Fire apparatus salesman give a few bucks trade in for these trucks, then sell them for a fortune. It is Eastland, not Cisco who is looking for one. The two towns should have partnered on the one you are talking about. The County should buy the brush truck from Eastland that will be for sale, finish it, and find another one, then the County can be free of their obligations to the two cities when they have their own fire department. Their volunteers can also be free of the turmoil.
    The Eastland proposal is for a new, 2011 model demo ladder, not a trade-in.

    I agree that the county should form their own fire department and adequately staff and equip it. Unfortunately, your 2 truck department won't begin to cut it. And the county won't spend the money to field a viable rural department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mingus108 View Post
    Sounds like they could learn a few things from Wayland VFD.
    That dept has it all together, I have a second cousin over there thats one of the reasons.
    Do they have a collection of clapped-out antique high mileage trucks you helped them buy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rme View Post
    Do they have a collection of clapped-out antique high mileage trucks you helped them buy?
    From what I've seen, Wayland has some mighty decent trucks. Just saw them from the road, not up close, but they do look like nice trucks.

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    On the news tonight, Breckenridge's Hubbard Creek Lake is below 30 percent. May as well say bone dry, and summer isn't even here yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by rme View Post
    You quoted 2 different subjects, and tried to roll them both into your typical hatred of economic development. I'll try to unroll them.

    First, it seems that Hanlon has prevailed in their attempt at blackmail. Looks like the cities and the water board have evaluated the cost of a trial versus paying them to go away. And, paying them off won. That's sad.

    The whole ladder truck debate isn't tied to economic development. It's an effort to service the existing structures, and possibly reduce everyone's insurance premiums.
    We don't have the water for economic development. You and the others might figure that out when it is too late, but Abilene, Brownwood, and Snyder still haven't. Why do you think our state legislature is searching for ways to solve Texas' water shortage? There is no solution until someone can figure out how to make it rain.
    Eastland and Ranger didn't have to spend a dime on lawyers. They should have left the oil business to those who know about it. The money was wasted because they chose to waste it. I can't help but think Eastland wouldn't be so loose with their money if they weren't raking in millions of dollars in economic development tax money.
    The ladder truck money is the same deal. Why should we blow 600 thousand dollars when mingus can find us one for 40 thousand? Then Cisco and Eastland can split that, since they are in bed together screwing the County now anyways. 600 thousand dollars is too much money to spend for a piece of equipment to put up Christmas lights.
    What do you call high mileage? 700 thousand miles is low mileage for some of these trucks. You people sure spend a lot of my money to be crying about socialism.
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    Mutha, I don't mind paying a penny out of every dollar I spend on taxable items if it goes back into local coffers to help make life in Eastland better. One penny!

    But your president is taking 30 cents out of every dollar I make BEFORE I get to spend it! And what do I get for it? I get a severe shortage of ammunition on the shelves of our stores because Obama is buying up all the ammo. I get to look up every morning when I walk out of the house to see if I can spot one of his drones. I get to pay increased premiums on my insurance and higher medical bills due to his Obamacare.

    I'll go ahead and pay my penny, thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    On the news tonight, Breckenridge's Hubbard Creek Lake is below 30 percent. May as well say bone dry, and summer isn't even here yet.

    We don't have the water for economic development. You and the others might figure that out when it is too late, but Abilene, Brownwood, and Snyder still haven't. Why do you think our state legislature is searching for ways to solve Texas' water shortage? There is no solution until someone can figure out how to make it rain.
    Eastland and Ranger didn't have to spend a dime on lawyers. They should have left the oil business to those who know about it. The money was wasted because they chose to waste it. I can't help but think Eastland wouldn't be so loose with their money if they weren't raking in millions of dollars in economic development tax money.
    The ladder truck money is the same deal. Why should we blow 600 thousand dollars when mingus can find us one for 40 thousand? Then Cisco and Eastland can split that, since they are in bed together screwing the County now anyways. 600 thousand dollars is too much money to spend for a piece of equipment to put up Christmas lights.
    What do you call high mileage? 700 thousand miles is low mileage for some of these trucks. You people sure spend a lot of my money to be crying about socialism.

    Next time turn off your stove before you leave if you don't want to come home to a big marshmallow roast.

    why dont you talk to your firend the fire chief maybe you can convince him and his firemans of this good luck

    really? so they shoulda just left it alone and let the pipe leak into the water oh wait with your idea there wont be any water in the lake anyway



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    Quote Originally Posted by rme View Post
    Do they have a collection of clapped-out antique high mileage trucks you helped them buy?
    No, I did not help them do anything.
    They were smart enough to do it all by themselves, by doing the paper work to apply for grants.
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    The whole ladder truck debate isn't tied to economic development. It's an effort to service the existing structures, and possibly reduce everyone's insurance premiums.
    As long as the fire truck is certified, the insurace company has no choice but to lower the rates.
    If the City has any pension liabilitys, I think keeping their debt load down would be their main concern.
    Some of the smaller cities should start looking at solar systems to lower their operating costs. Just saying that we had our first bill in three months of $30.00.
    It should be a no brainer for a City

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    $50 thousand here....$70 thousand there...$600 thousand...where is it all coming from?
    Don't kid yourselves, it is coming out of your pockets. Repeal the economic development sales tax from Cisco and Eastland.
    Not sure about the details on the settlement deal, but without an economic development inc, Eastland still would have purchased a new ladder truck. Not sure what the truck purchase has to do with the EEDI

    As for water.. it is becoming precious. The problem seems to be with the lack of rain and evaporation that comes with that. I know there have been cycles of drought and cities that have had to restrict their water because of that. It didn't seem to stop them from continuing to grow because surely the rains will come.... and they always have. If they don't... then we got worse problems than worrying about development.

    Development brings businesses which bring jobs, which support the people who live in the area. It doesn't always over populate a town to have new business. It often, first, employs the people we already have. It can cause wages to be a little more competitive. Personally, I like stuff like touristy things.. If you can get the area to be appealing to visitors you've got it made. They come in, they drop money, and they go home. The Palo Pinto Mountains State Park will be one of those assets hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mingus108 View Post
    No, I did not help them do anything.
    They were smart enough to do it all by themselves, by doing the paper work to apply for grants.
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    Grants, I believe (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) are easier to get for departments that don't have much. Eastland probably isn't eligible for some of the same grants Waylon has received.

    I hope they don't ever need that ladder truck, but in a situation where they do.. it's gonna be nice to have it. There are many buildings in Eastland where a ladder truck will be just the thing to save some lives and property. From what I heard at the meeting, it will save on insurance rates more so for commercial insurance than residential (makes sense). To make the payments something Eastland can afford, they will be doubling the length of time they had planned to pay a ladder truck out, but as someone noted about these trucks.. a 20 year old ladder truck with low mileage will still have lots of life in it. The hopes, of course, are to be able to pay that truck off a little faster than 20 years. Maintenance costs over the years should be much cheaper than it would have been had they bought something used with lots of miles on it. Wonder what the warranty is on those things.

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    It would be nice if we had more stuff going on in Eastland that allowed the young people we already have to get their degrees or career skills and then be able to find a job here at home.

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    This drama playing out among the towns is pretty dirty.
    Breckenridge shafting Eastland over the pipeline, Abilene draining lake Hubard for Breckenridge. I guess you get what you ask for.
    I did the crane work on the US 180 bridge on Hubard back in 63 but I don't brag about it.
    Our engineers and the State did a poor job of grade setting on the bridge.

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    A client of mine that has lived in the Colony Creek area for 30 plus years gave me her 2 cents on the water issue. When they bought the place they have now there it was only them for miles. Now there are pricey huge homes owned by ppl from the metroplex that think they still live in the big city and have St Augustine yards and water like they did in the city. Now they want to put in a rest area on the Interstate?

    My 2 cents being...Lake Leon has not gotten any larger since it was built, what, back in the 1950's? There's a whole lot more going on in the area since, sappin the lake. If I was doing the marketing research for a chain business or any corporation as to locating in this area, the water issue would send up a red flag.JMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by mingus108 View Post
    As long as the fire truck is certified, the insurace company has no choice but to lower the rates.

    Actually, that's if the truck meets NFPA and ISO requirements, and can pass the required tests, ISO has to consider it. The rates are set by the ISO rating for the city/municipality/county, etc.

    If the City has any pension liabilitys, I think keeping their debt load down would be their main concern.

    They also need to consider their ongoing maintenance expenses. These will be higher the older the piece of equipment being maintained.

    Some of the smaller cities should start looking at solar systems to lower their operating costs. Just saying that we had our first bill in three months of $30.00.
    It should be a no brainer for a City
    Are solar systems now being used to fight fires? I had no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rme View Post
    Are solar systems now being used to fight fires? I had no idea.
    Who said it was, but the savings on electric power just might pay for future pensions.
    Are you a city council person? If so you sure can get catty for a elected politician.

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    There are just too many cities going belly up because of poor planning, debt & pension liability's.
    A company would have to look at the fire truck as a investment, would it pay for itself is the question.
    Other than parades where would you use it? How many times would it be used over the years?
    Would future planning include another water reservoir, that should be the most pressing issue to me.
    If Abilene ties up all of the possible lake sites in their mad search to stay alive where will this leave Eastland?
    From what I understand Texas is planning 4 or 5 lakes in the near future.

    The are some great locations along the Palo Pinto Breaks for water reservoirs, a few would be spring fed even.
    At Brad you have the little Ironi Creek, spring fed creek that runs for miles in a canyon.
    At Strawn the Palo Pinto Creek a spring fed creek in a steep canyon, 4000 acres already owned be the State.

    From Brad, East of Caddo to Desdemona. All along the West side of highway 16.

    Some time in the very near future the water crisis will come to a head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mingus108 View Post
    A company would have to look at the fire truck as a investment, would it pay for itself is the question.
    Other than parades where would you use it? How many times would it be used over the years?.
    How do you determine whether or not a fire truck pays for itself? Would it be best if we had a few fires in some taller buildings or apartments so we could say.. hey... sure glad we bought that ladder truck. It's a piece of insurance. Without it we are risking the possibility of lost property or lives that might have been saved had the fire department been able to reach them. With it.. the fire department is ready for those situations, but we all certainly hope all it gets used for is to drive through parades.

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    I see your point very well, but how long has Eastland gone without the million dollar truck?
    Why now when they will soon be facing a water crisis? To put out fires you need water.
    If Eastland wants development, why not develop a lasting water supply.
    Strawn want wants a Park, Eastland wants water. There are a few people around that need jobs.
    There seems to be an over abundant supply of politicians around why not steer them toward Austin where they might do a better job of earning their keep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie View Post
    Would it be best if we had a few fires in some taller buildings or apartments so we could say.. hey... sure glad we bought that ladder truck.
    While attacking a fire or other emergency in a tall building is the most common way ladder truck usage is pictured, that's not the most common application. Ladders (or Snorkels) are use to allow attacking fires from above, without the need to put firefighters in jeopardy. Even a single story house fire could benefit by having a ladder truck to extend the horizontal reach of the firefighters. The picture in the link following illustrates this application:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fi...der_trucks.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by rme View Post
    While attacking a fire or other emergency in a tall building is the most common way ladder truck usage is pictured, that's not the most common application. Ladders (or Snorkels) are use to allow attacking fires from above, without the need to put firefighters in jeopardy. Even a single story house fire could benefit by having a ladder truck to extend the horizontal reach of the firefighters. The picture in the link following illustrates this application:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fi...der_trucks.jpg
    That fire used up about a days water use out of lake Leon.
    Lets see five ladder trucks if buying used would cost 250,000 grand still not a million. My old FIL used to the mayor of Milton, PA, when they wanted a new truck the fireman passed the boot and had fund raisers. They did not saddle the town with a million dollar debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cecil View Post
    Mutha, I don't mind paying a penny out of every dollar I spend on taxable items if it goes back into local coffers to help make life in Eastland better. One penny!
    I'll go ahead and pay my penny, thank you!
    Me too Cecil, except the money will be used to make our life worse, not better. I don't think water rationing and muddy brown tap water such as we had in 2011 is any improvement.

    Economic development money is intended to lure in more people who will drain our lake. Kudos to the new dialysis center, thumbs down to the new business park, and anything else designed to attract hordes of new water users.
    Cisco's plans for growth with a dwindling water supply shows very poor forethought, and should be a mistake we can learn from, as well as Breckenridge's:

    The news reports Breckenridge is discussing raising Hubbard Lake's dam four feet for the purpose of catching more rain water. What rain?
    Common sense should tell them what the result will be when you are taking more water from the lake than is being put back into it. Lowering their dam, or just eliminating it altogether will soon be possible for them, simply because no one stopped to think about what they were doing.

    Eastland's plans to solve this problem by drilling water wells is a temporary fix that will only drain the non renewable underground water supplies rural residents rely on. Our underground water tables are dropping because we don't get the rain we used to.

    If the City plans to condemn rancher's land for the purpose of drilling water wells in the country, I can easily predict a high profile court case.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyotefishing View Post
    Now they want to put in a rest area on the Interstate?
    That is as bad an idea as Ranger's selling water to the 7R Ranch, and their large truck wash. There must be someway to prohibit the state from doing this to us.
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    It took a stalled hurricane way back when to fill Hubbard Creek Lake the first time.
    It looks like another one is needed.

    I would hate to have to depend on Hurricanes to fill my water supply.

    At the time they called it a hundred year flood.

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    "Yet another $2 million dollar grant has been awarded to Eastland and Carbon to drill water wells. "

    "Eastland's plans to solve this problem by drilling water wells is a temporary fix that will only drain the non renewable underground water supplies rural residents rely on"

    I have found that Both of the above statements by miraculous mutha are not true. There is no grant to Eastland to drill wells. Eastland is not planning any well drilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pull this View Post
    ...

    I have found that Both of the above statements by miraculous mutha are not true. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by curious_george View Post
    m/m said-
    quote 1--"Yet another $2 million dollar grant has been awarded to Eastland and Carbon to drill water wells. "
    m/m said
    quote 2--"Eastland's plans to solve this problem by drilling water wells is a temporary fix that will only drain the non renewable underground water supplies rural residents rely on"


    pull this said--
    "I have found that Both of the above statements by miraculous mutha are not true. There is no grant to Eastland to drill wells. Eastland is not planning any well drilling."

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    What is the grant for then?

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    Water Restrictions

    What grant?

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    No grant at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rme View Post
    What grant?
    the 2 million dollar grant to Eastland to drill wells--you know!! the one that doesn't exist!!

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    You're saying you don't know anything about it? It was reported on KTAB.
    Notice: you can condemn every acre in the county and cover it with water wells, but the source in nonrenewable. That means when it is gone, that is the end of it. Many water wells will only make enough for a farmer or rancher, and certainly never enough to subsidize a town.
    I can imagine Hanlon's frustration with you.
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    There is a design team working away to build a fine new State Park in the Wilde Canyon just East of Ranger.
    With 2 years of planing ahead for the new park, now is the time to speak up.

    By rerouting the Union Pacific RR to a different route, the Canyon would be ideal for a huge beautiful reservoir. Railroads are rerouted without any trouble in this day & time.

    With a 12 hundred ft elevation, it could be easily be a twin dam lake holding enough of water for 3 small towns.
    The Palo Pinto Breaks and Wilde Canyon consist of solid limestone, nothing better for a beautiful lake bottom.
    And what better thing could you build a new park around.

    You would think after the last 2 years of wild fires & drought.
    The City & County leaders of both Counties would be grabbing at any answer for a solution.
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    Leon is silted in just like the Power Plant Lake and just like Eastland Lake. We don't have near the capacity we had in 1955 when the lake was built. Heres something to think about. Several years ago an older Gentleman came into my office and we started to talk about Leon. He said when they were desiging the lake n the early 50s the dam was supposed to be about a mile downstream from where it is now because the Coloney Creek was so salty form all the oil wells in Ranger so they moved it to where it is. Why don't the powers that be look to move the dam down to where it was originally supposed to be. Colony Creek is pure and clear as Leon right now and has a water shed that goes from the big hill going to Morton Valley from Eastland all the way to Ranger a huge water shed that all goes to Lake Proctor. Saw in the paper a few weeks ago that Perry is getting into the Rainey Day Fund to help with the water shortages. But all we want to do is whine and moan. lets build a bigger Lake Leon and have a good water source here. By the way what is Lake Proctors level right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Leon is silted is just like the Power Plant Lake and just like Eastland Lake. We don't have near the capacity we had in 1955 when the lake was built.Heres something to think about.
    Back in 74, Dallas dredged White Rock lake to clean it out. They went the cheap route by building retainer ponds near the shores & piping the sludge to the ponds.
    By using a sand dredge out of LA it worked pretty good, I was digging the ponds with a dragline. The trick with this method is to make sure the damns are strong enough to hold the sludge.

    We clean out the ponds at Los colinas prior to the first Brian Nelson golf Classic, every thing was going great until a dump truck driver forgot to lock his tailgate.
    The entire length of his trip on the red brick street was marked with super slick grey sludge.
    The mucky mucks of Las Colinas and the golf tournament were not pleased.

    Later on while doing a government job for a retiring VP of TXI we moved a small dragline in a lake lot at Eagle Mountain Lake north of FT Worth.
    The family was great, buying my helper & myself lunch every day at the marina it was a great perk.
    And we tried our best, but the job was flat out a bust.

    Digging out the channel for their sail boat from the start of the channel the only place I had to put the sludge was futher up the hill side. Knowing it would not stay on the hillside I tried to dig ditches to hold it. After spending 2 weeks in the effort we finished up the best we could.
    A month later it was all in vain after a hard rain, it washed it back in the channel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    You're saying you don't know anything about it? It was reported on KTAB.
    Notice: you can condemn every acre in the county and cover it with water wells, but the source in nonrenewable. That means when it is gone, that is the end of it. Many water wells will only make enough for a farmer or rancher, and certainly never enough to subsidize a town.
    I can imagine Hanlon's frustration with you.
    Can you give more information about where you heard about this grant? I can't find anything about it on the KTAB site. I'd like to hear more.

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    No Julie, I can't. It has been covered up and there is no information available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    No Julie, I can't. It has been covered up and there is no information available.
    Covered up? As in a conspiracy?

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    WOW! First Benghazi and now this... It's the age of Obama.

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    Water Restrictions

    There was a grant awarded to the economic development corp a while back. Maybe this is what MM has turned into a water grant.

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    It's the Enterprise in charge of the courthouse. Eastland Watergate.

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    That's all right mutha, let folks talk about spaceships all they want.
    But you and I know we have solved Eastlands water problem, now it is up to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricket View Post
    There was a grant awarded to the economic development corp a while back. Maybe this is what MM has turned into a water grant.
    Are you implying that I am fabricating? No one could make this stuff up.
    Last week KTAB reported that Eastland and Carbon had been awarded a two million dollar grant to drill water wells. Since the news reporters always seem to misplace facts in their stories, we have learned to read between the lines. Most likely....the story should have been "Eastland awarded two million dollar grant to drill water wells down by Carbon." That is where the best underground water is, and we all know Eastland is searching for water, so just like their big ideas to attract a penitentiary here, they want to unload the crap on their neighbors. Carbon didn't want a state pen in their back yard and I am certain those in Carbon would prefer not to forfeit their underground water so gluttonous Eastland can further bloat and swell.

    Leasing land for the purpose of water well drilling is done in the same manner as leasing for oil and gas drilling. The question is: who in Carbon is leasing their land to Eastland for water well drilling?
    Whoever is doing this behind their neighbor's backs will not only empty the water from beneath their property, but their neighbors as well, since underground water will flow through the water sands to any void left from pumping. The result is the neighbors, and the area will be left without any underground water for their wells.
    Whoever is doing this deserves a lake full of crude oil and poisoned natural gas. What goes around, comes around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    Are you implying that I am fabricating? No one could make this stuff up.
    Last week KTAB reported that Eastland and Carbon had been awarded a two million dollar grant to drill water wells.
    Was this something you read on their website or you heard it on their broadcast?

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    Asked KTAB news person that covers the Eastland area and she says there wasn't any such story.

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    They announced that: "coming up Eastland and Carbon receive a two million dollar grant for water well drilling" along with the other stories they would be covering after the weather, however this one did not run. That leaves me to suspect someone involved with the water well project saw them announce it, then called the station to have the report stopped.
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