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pamela
07-09-2004, 12:33 PM
Welfare Office

A guy walks into the local welfare office, marches straight up to the
counter and says, "Hi . . . You know, I just HATE drawing welfare. I'd
really rather have a job".

The social worker behind the counter says, "Your timing is excellent. We
just got a job opening from a very wealthy old man who wants a
chauffeur/bodyguard for his nymphomaniac daughter. You'll have to drive
around in his Mercedes, but he'll supply all of your clothes. Because
of the long hours, meals will be provided. You'll be expected to escort
her on her overseas holiday trips. You'll have a two-bedroom apartment
above the garage. The starting salary is $200,000 a year".

The guy says, "You're joking!"

The social worker says, "Yeah, well, you started it."

MiraculousMutha
07-09-2004, 03:47 PM
Pamela, funny! Unfortunately, more truth there than fiction. The people that work those offices usually let the good jobs go to their family and friends, while the rest of us are left to pick up cans.

jenfrog81
07-09-2004, 03:51 PM
That is SO TRUE !
We use to be on Walfare when Hubby was going to Collage and I was Waitressing . I Always Hated it . Cause you feel So Embrassed People would Always give me Nasty lookes when I would go into a Store and use my little Lonestar Card .

pamela
07-10-2004, 08:24 AM
I was in a situation where I was a single mom with two kids, my only jobs were basically waitressing and bartending, plus odd jobs here and there, I was living in Utah, and they told me they wanted me to get off wellfare,( I'd only been on it for a few months) and I was thrilled when they gave me a chance to choose a career, they papid for my education which led me to the career field I'm in today!

It is a good idea that has become VERY abused! it should not be passed on from generation to generation as a way to live...ANYONE can pick themselves out of the gutter if they want to!

I will allways be around to help anyone who would like to help themselves...
what do ya'll think about drug testing for people that live off of the "system"?

BigGunz
07-10-2004, 01:20 PM
years ago when Food Stamps were still in use the market was high on exchanging stamps for dollars...I remember it being like 2 stamps for every 1 dollar...the reason they did this was to use the cash for other wants instead of the intended purpose of food. And mostly it was done for obtaining drugs....with the installment of the Lone Star Card they thought this would put an end to that practice unfortunately the cards are just another way for abuser to sell the charge offs. So I would have no problem with the notion of "random" drug testing of recipients at all. And would conclude that if found "dirty" they face expulsion from the program....sounds harsh?...I dont think so because there are many people out there who are good people who have fallen on hard times that need the help financially...and then there are those who make a living off the system and pass it on to their children as a way of life making them forever bound to a system just so they do not have to do anything to better their lives. When you have no aspirations and no desire yet understand that you dont have to have them because you will have security in knowing that the Government will help you and provide for you then why apply yourself to any endeavor at all? I hate it so much when I see these folks walking around with expensive clothing and jewelry driving fairly decent cars using The system to buy their groceries when most of the other folks struggle day to day to make ends meet and work their butts off to obtain just the simple necessities of life.

Rhiannon
07-10-2004, 01:51 PM
I think they did make it where if you have a drug conviction you cannot get food stamps. I think any conviction: theft, etc.... you should not be able to get welfare.
I think if medicaid pays for two babies being born, that should be it!

The system is highly abused today, to the point where they have more kids because that means more welfare!

I see many here in the town I live in who abuse the system, most are mexican alot are white though, driving new cars and all their kids wearing $50 shoes, and using the Lone Star Card. They get probably $100 a month in food stamps per child. I see the kids with the card in the store, loading their baskets with junk food. Thats the way the kids grow up and thats the adults they turn into, learning to use the system.
This subject makes me LIVID!

Girlie
07-10-2004, 01:53 PM
It's like that everywhere I've ever lived, Rhiannon.

Gearldean
07-10-2004, 02:10 PM
I don't think I've ever seen anyone using a card for money anywhere! Course, I only go to the grocery store maybe 4 times a year.

sage
07-10-2004, 02:18 PM
i think the drug testing would be a good idea but i know it won't happen. i see just as many whites as mexicans using the lone star cards. the whites were usually the ones that i know that sold the drugs and lived at the projects and didn't work. but it's usually the whites that i see that their kids are wearing the nice clothes. when i was on welfare and even now that im not, my kids wear name brand clothes, but they have aunts, uncles, and grandparents that purchase those clothes. when i take them to buy clothes i go to wal-mart, target, and if i do take them to the mall it's the clearance sections of the gap or old navy.
i only bought my kids "junk food" after all the meats, veggies, and good food was purchased. sweets were only purchased if there was stamps left, and if my kids were good.

Miss Mally
07-10-2004, 03:44 PM
Rhia....I think the area you live in has a higher population of Hispanics...that is why you see more of them than whites on welfare. If you go to East Texas...where the Black population is higher...you will see blacks on welfare as well.

It depends on the community you live in. It also depends on the individuals. I know many Hispanics that are harder workers and get by on less than alot of white people. Isn't it funny how we look at a Lone Star card and then the color of the person using it?

I really don't see it as a race issue....it is a work ethic issue. It is also a broken system...one that perpetuates poverty instead of teaching people to rise above it.

Rhiannon
07-10-2004, 04:08 PM
I'm not looking at it as a race issue. I think the problem is in the system that's letting it happen. I see as many white people on welfare as I do mexicans. I have absolutely nothing against any race who works and at least tries to do the right thing. You are right Mally, I do live in a town that has become over 50% hispanic. Alot of them do work and make positive contributions to our community.

The system gets used over and over and over again. It's not doing a whole lot to break the cycle!!

I get alot bent outta shape, when my husband and I both work hard to meet the needs of our family! My kids are far from spoiled, they know what it means to work and they know the value of $1. These kids being brought up in the system, don't have a clue! And never will if the cycle is not broken.
As far as work ethic nowadays, I don't see a whole lot in the younger generation, and that is caused from the lack of family values in our society today. I have employed numerous college students and the majority had little or no work ethic.

Miss Mally
07-10-2004, 04:20 PM
some of that comes from not just broken families...but from all walks.

Kids are given an allowence for nothing...or often for nothing more than cleaning the room once in a while. Kids shouldn't get paid to clean their room...no one pays me to clean mine. Somethings just have to be done and kids need to learn the value of a job well done that doesn't always equate with money.

DrDon
07-10-2004, 10:44 PM
A few years ago, our family hit a very tight spot, and I swallowed my pride and went to apply for the Lone Star Card. I thought I'd just use it until things improved, hopefully just a few months.

I filled out all the forms, answered every question honestly, and was rejected. I was later told "off the record" that I would have had a better chance if I'd been unemployed (or just said I was), but that my meager salary was just too much.

A couple of weeks later, I recieved a letter saying that the office had reviewed my case, and given my family a monthly allowance...of six dollars.

Thankfully, I've improved my situation, and I don't have the need for that kind of assistance anymore. But it grates on me there are those who abuse the system and never are called on it, and that some who might truly need a helping hand for a little bit are ignored or dismissed.

MiraculousMutha
07-11-2004, 11:27 AM
It is a good idea that has become VERY abused! it should not be passed on from generation to generation as a way to live...

what do ya'll think about drug testing for people that live off of the "system"?
I hate the abuse probably worse than you do, pamela, but there will always be contingencies with any kind of successful venture. Drug testing...I think everyone should be tested and we can win the war on drugs when we take addicts off the street, off probation, and lock them up for good...say after two or three chances.

Anonymous
07-13-2004, 11:48 AM
I have no problem with random drug testing for those on welfare. I'm currently using government assistance but I use it what it was entended for. I am going to college and trying to make a life for my son and I so I wont have to be on it forever. I dont see how people are happy living this way.

jenfrog81
07-13-2004, 12:29 PM
I have no problem with random drug testing for those on welfare. I'm currently using government assistance but I use it what it was entended for. I am going to college and trying to make a life for my son and I so I wont have to be on it forever. I dont see how people are happy living this way. I know when Hubby was going to Collage and I was Working we had to be on it * Belive me I was not Happy * I hated it so Much . I was begging my boss to give me overtime or Something . But when Hubby got out of Collage we Toally got off .

Girlie
07-13-2004, 12:59 PM
I have no problem with random drug testing for those on welfare. I'm currently using government assistance but I use it what it was entended for. I am going to college and trying to make a life for my son and I so I wont have to be on it forever. I dont see how people are happy living this way.

Seems to me people are content living that way because frankly, they don't care ... they enjoy the free ride.

You, on the other hand, have a purpose and want much better for your life as quickly as possible! Kudos to you!

With that attitude, you'll be very successful.

Confused
07-13-2004, 02:59 PM
Have ya'll noticed the new and improved Work In Texas website from TWC? It has a lot of great info on it. On the welfare issue, I have a relative working for an organization in the Metroplex that monitors those on welfare, sets them up for training for the workplace, helps them find jobs, assists with vouchers for utilities rent and such, but only if the people are trying to help themselves. They also provide vouchers to ride a bus so they can get to work if they don't have a vehicle. If they miss the training and don't have a good valid excuse, or doesn't follow through with the requirements, all state aid is cut off. We don't have anyone in our area that monitors people like they do there. The goal for her organization is not to train these folks for a $5.15 "job" but a career that they can support themselves and a family.