View Full Version : unions neccesary evils?

06-09-2004, 02:13 PM
remember Enron?

yep they got a LOT of news coverage, but did you hear these stories…
and this is from readers digest June 2004 issue

Pat Tornillo was caught with his hand in the till, United Teachers of Dade using the dues of members for a lavish life style, including videos for better sex. While he rallied against low teacher salaries he was blowing money like water. lavish vacations/ spa visits, furs ect….Barbara Bullock former president of the Washington D C teachers Union she and her accomplices stole an estimated $2 .5 million from her 5,000 member union.
According to a report from the labor dept in the first three months of 2004 indictments, guilty pleas or sentencing against 34 union officials or employees. 143 in 2003..believe it or not the unions are rarely audited, workers who ask for details about the unions finances often get no where. also the salaries are CRAZY and they’re voted on in public meeting so a dissenter risks a lot by openly defying the BIG guys. This is a great eye opening article I’ve just condensed somewhat. The point IS good ideas once needed are being ABUSED but will we hear a dem talk about this? NO

Last year the Rev jessejackson was exposed out of the millions he collected for his rainbow coalition actually 75 thousand went to the cause…did we hear the dems upset about that? NO…all they care about is bashing Bush, stirring up lie after lie after lie ooops does that sound like anyone? You say I’m not to be listened too Geraldine? whats wrong with spreading the truth about the left…and I’m just beginning.

someone has to fight back at the li

06-10-2004, 05:44 AM
SO I see this has been viewed 17 times as of this posting, yet NO REPLIES? Geraldine says I'm to be ignored because I'm radical?
I find FACTS and try to spread the word, educate some, some refuse to learn...I once was liberal, ( I'm not a radical rightwinger, I still have some liberal tendencies, I however use my brain to over ride senseless misguded liberal feelings)...
this is outrageous, the unions are no longer needee OH and they are laying off too, my brother was layed off by his union up in Colorado last year after 27 years with the companies!

this country is going down the hole fast; thanks to liberals

PROUD TO BE AN INDEPENDENT THINKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

06-10-2004, 07:13 AM
...You say I’m not to be listened too Geraldine? whats wrong with spreading the truth about the left…and I’m just beginning.

someone has to fight back at the li
Pamela, the point is that "truth" can be presented WITHOUT including the word "lies". You're trying to control minds, just like the media, when you make that judgement FOR others. I would much rather read facts and come to a conclusion on my own than to have someone attempt to control my mind.

Miss Mally
06-10-2004, 08:17 AM
I think everyone here posts their opinions as well as the facts....that is what this board is for.

I don't see Pam trying to "control" minds nor do I see June trying to "control" minds. I just see them as being very strong minded. That is something to respect...not condemn. Now...some have their facts strait...and some are misguided. hahahahahahahahahaha

06-10-2004, 08:30 AM
G.... the statement lie after lie after lie came from teddykennedy's mouth, speaking about our President...I am tired of the left saying teh Republican party LIES....I am not trying to control anyones mind.., I am just confused as to why a story like this doesn't enrage people, it is fact it came from readers digest and I will try to find the website that the info came from...everyone was mad about enron, but what about this...htese people are supposed to be looking out for the little guy????????

oh and thanksMally 8)

Miss Mally
06-10-2004, 08:45 AM
It is much easier for people to get enraged at a big corporation vs some individual with a name and family.

06-10-2004, 09:24 AM
I think everyone here posts their opinions as well as the facts....that is what this board is for...
:oops: Well, I forgot to include the fact that it was MY opinion. I kinda like the fact that I can jest with June and she doesn't take offense. She just gives it right back, all in good humor. That's because I respect her and I think she respects me.

I remember tellin June that something she said was a bald faced lie because I felt sure that she would know how to take it. Sure enough, she did! I will try to refrain from joshin Pamela and you for I feel sure that you can't take it. :D Oh, durn! I dun did it! Broke a promise in the same sentence as I made it! Oh, well! You know me! I still have that devil on the left shoulder! I'm just thankful that the angel sits on the right rather than havin a devil on both shoulders!

06-10-2004, 09:26 AM
G..I can take it, bring it on, i'm jest a fightin back..... :wink:

06-10-2004, 09:38 AM
G..I can take it, bring it on, i'm jest a fightin back..... :wink:
Okay! Will ya promise to fight fair?

06-10-2004, 10:56 AM
you bet ya :wink:

Miss Mally
06-10-2004, 02:16 PM
G..I can take it, bring it on, i'm jest a fightin back..... :wink:
Okay! Will ya promise to fight fair?

fight fair? Give me a break. Fighting should never be fair...it should be to win. hahahahahahahahahha The Marquis of Queensbury Rules ruined good boxing....bare knucked...blood and gut...last man standing wins....now that is the way a fight or a war should go.

Accually there is this article about fairness...that pretty well decribes how I feel about that PC word.


06-10-2004, 04:23 PM
This subject was debated once or twice before on the old forum.

Unions are past their prime. Once upon a time there were business men that did anything they could to make a buck. Unions at this time were needed. Businesses would force their employees to work for unreasonable wages and unreasonable hours. They would subject the employees to hazardous work environments without proper protection. etc,etc, etc. With the invent of labor laws and OSHA laws the previous egregious acts are no longer the norm. Yes it happens, however people have rights that they can assert and appropiate means of correcting wrongs by just gaining a little knowledge. Most workers arent motivated enough to gain that knowlege!

I spent ten years working for a Union local as the President (shop steward), vice president, secretary, treasurer and at the National level as a Legislative representative. I have just a "little knowlege". I finally came to the conclusion that I didn't need the union any longer because I had laws on my side. Most actions by unions are just petty grevances made out to be more than they are. Most union actions for pay and entitlements are bad for business. Most unions support socialism and liberalism. My unions fought for equality for it workers, reguardless of their performance. Unions are for the lazy bums that want their money given to them for nothing. Unions support not the underdog but the weakest dog. Weak employees make weak labor, weak labor makes weak economy, weak economy makes social unrest, social unrest is what liberalism thrives on. Liberalism is in a nutshell socialism. Socialism feeds on class envy. Democats push the idea of class envy by suggesting that those that work hard and make more should pay more and those that do nothing should get something from those that do someting.[/b]

06-11-2004, 05:01 AM
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nothing like getting it straight from the"horses mouth"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It has always upset me that they MAKE their employees pay a portion of thier dues to the dems...and as was stated in that article, if anyone doesn't agree with the "big guys" they're life can be made miserable....
I think that is also one of my greatest memories of Reagan, when the air traffic controllers went on strike and he said "so long!"

My sister in law in California was a "scab" for a while when some grocery workers went on strike in teh 80's her tires were slashed, windshield broken and she did fear for her life when going into work...and this is suppposed to be O K?????? adn did they go to jail??? NO!

allright people we can fight back, get ALL OF THE DEMS OUT OF OFFICE!