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Miss Mally
06-18-2004, 01:01 PM
Today...Putin made public that Russia had warned the US that Iraq was involved in massive planning of terrorist attacks on the US.

Russian intelligence had information that linked Iraq with planned terrorist attacks, but had given this information to the US with the request that Russia not be disclosed as the informant. Bush honored this request....and this information was kept top secret....even though Democrats were bent on making Bush look bad. Today...with some of Bushes enemies pushing for Impeachment....Putin decided it was time for the information to come out.

We the American public....make judgements on the President...with out knowing everything...and nor do we need to know everything. If Bush had not acted...in a preimptive mannor...swiftly and desisively...We may have had more than 3000 died Americans on our shores today. If Bush had disclosed what Russia had told us....Russia might would never trust us enough to share this type of info again. If Iraq had accomplished its missions....the American people would have blamed Bush for not preventing it...much like they are trying to blame him for not preventing 9-11.

See aricle below:

"I can confirm that after the events of September 11, 2001, and up to the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services and Russian intelligence several times received ... information that official organs of Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist acts on the territory of the United States and beyond its borders, at U.S. military and civilian locations," Putin said.-CNN News

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 01:07 PM
*HEY THAT IS NEWS *LOL*

Rhiannon
06-18-2004, 01:13 PM
It would be the terrorists ultimate victory if a US fighter jet is ever forced to shoot down a passenger plane.

That would truly be a day for infamy.

I want to hear more details about this. Maybe there isn`t much to it, but my instincts tell me that Putin wasn`t just blowing in the wind.
I believe there was a connection between Saddam and the terroristss. Just a matter of proving it. Perhaps Russian intelligence is going to shed some more light about this matter.

BigGunz
06-18-2004, 04:26 PM
I heard about this on the news this morning....seems alot is coming out and in time alot will be proven...just dont ask the dems opinions on it as Im sure if Iraq and Bin laden where in cahoots the dems would just deny it! They dont want proof at this point...would hurt there cause!

fishhook
06-18-2004, 04:57 PM
I heard about this on the news this morning....seems alot is coming out and in time alot will be proven...just dont ask the dems opinions on it as Im sure if Iraq and Bin laden where in cahoots the dems would just deny it! They dont want proof at this point...would hurt there cause!

Yeah, it is an election year. :lol:

Miss Mally
06-18-2004, 10:21 PM
Right now...the democrats want us to loose the war on terror....they want us to make mistakes....fail...more people to die...so that they can win the election....

This sounds close to being traitors to me.

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 10:24 PM
OKAY ... I M CONFUSS .. ARE THE democrats THE POOR PEOPLE .. CAUSE IF SO I MUST BE A democrat . I don't know the Diffrents . LOL

Miss Mally
06-18-2004, 10:27 PM
OKAY ... I M CONFUSS .. ARE THE democrats THE POOR PEOPLE .. CAUSE IF SO I MUST BE A democrat . I don't know the Diffrents . LOL

Democrats are rich and poor as are republicans. Democratic leaders...like the poor because they can control them...they create programs that keep the poor from having incentives to work hard to bring themselves out of poverty. Republicans greatest wish...is to create an environment where those who wish to work hard...pull themselves up by the boot straps etc...will do so and bring themselves out of poverty.

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 10:32 PM
All Right I'm a Republican * I Found my spot in life > LOL

BigGunz
06-18-2004, 10:32 PM
Thats pretty much the concensus in a nut shell!....lol

Miss Mally
06-18-2004, 10:39 PM
All Right I'm a Republican * I Found my spot in life > LOL

lol...glad to have you join us Jen. :) I am a Republican too.

Now...to really confuse the matter Jen...not all Republicans are right...and not all Democrats are wrong. Most of the time...you have to look really hard at the issues...what consequences will come of the way that man or woman will vote...will they vote in a moral mannor...and then decide who you will support and vote for to represent you.

BigGunz
06-18-2004, 10:42 PM
Im neither democrat nor republican...i do not vte the party...i vote the man....and this time around the democrats have fouled up big time!

Miss Mally
06-18-2004, 10:57 PM
Im neither democrat nor republican...i do not vte the party...i vote the man....and this time around the democrats have fouled up big time!

They will search hard to find some way to overcome the fact that Bush was honorable with the Russians and that Bush made the best decision in the LONG run for this country and its people.

BigGunz
06-18-2004, 11:25 PM
yes they will and in doing so...if they do not win the election it will damage the party even furthermore!

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 11:41 PM
Im neither democrat nor republican...i do not vte the party...i vote the man....and this time around the democrats have fouled up big time!

They will search hard to find some way to overcome the fact that Bush was honorable with the Russians and that Bush made the best decision in the LONG run for this country and its people. Maybe I'm wrong but it seem like Bush is been messing up seen all this war happen , They really did not fine anything in Iraq * YET* . Kerry I'm not sure of . I watch the ADS on T.v.

Miss Mally
06-18-2004, 11:50 PM
Im neither democrat nor republican...i do not vte the party...i vote the man....and this time around the democrats have fouled up big time!

They will search hard to find some way to overcome the fact that Bush was honorable with the Russians and that Bush made the best decision in the LONG run for this country and its people. Maybe I'm wrong but it seem like Bush is been messing up seen all this war happen , They really did not fine anything in Iraq * YET* . Kerry I'm not sure of . I watch the ADS on T.v.

I don't think Bush has messed up at all. Bush had to make one of two choices....ignore the problem in the middle east...stick his head in the sand...and we would have had more than just 9-11 to deal with.....OR he could try to root out terrorism in every country...taking each country one by one. War is never pretty Jen...and things do not always go as planned...but things are better over there...I hear it from my friends all the time that are there. War also doesn't fix things over night....and often...we are not patient enough here in this country.

Thanks to Bush taking us into Iraq....Lybia has given up their weapons of mass destruction...they are allowing in inspectors...because they didn't want to be next on the list. They are cooperating with the US to help end terrorism. This isn't a mess up in my opinion...it is something that made the world a safer place in the long run...and we have Bush to thank for that. Being a strong leader...sometimes means making strong desisions...that sometimes people don't understand...but in the long run...are the best for our country and people.

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 11:54 PM
/11 Plot Reportedly Hatched in 1996

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By CONNIE CASS, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Five years before the worst terror attack in American history, a U.S.-educated Kuwaiti pitched an outlandish idea to Osama bin Laden (news - web sites). Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, now a U.S. captive, concedes his apocalyptic vision of 10 planes steered into nuclear power plants, skyscrapers and other American targets received only a lukewarm response from the al-Qaida kingpin.


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The meeting in Afghanistan (news - web sites) in mid-1996, however, apparently was the genesis of the attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people on Sept. 11, 2001. Three reports issued this week by the Sept. 11 commission provide the fullest picture yet of how Mohammed's idea evolved from wild scheme to unfathomable reality and the government's chaotic response.


Mohammed had targeted U.S. airliners before. He was indicted in the United States earlier in 1996 for plotting to bomb 12 flights over the Pacific Ocean, but he wasn't captured. Mohammed, born in Kuwait and a 1986 graduate from North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University, also wanted to crash a plane into CIA (news - web sites) headquarters.


His new plan needed bin Laden's money and his muscle.


Between May 1996, when bin Laden moved to Afghanistan from Sudan, and the Sept. 11 attacks, more than 20,000 men trained at his terror camps. They learned to be soldiers and, the Sept. 11 commission said, "to think creatively about ways to commit mass murder."


They floated ideas: take over a Russian launch site and fire a nuclear missile at the United States, pump poison gas into a building's air conditioning, hijack a plane to attack a city.


Advanced terrorism training was given to only the most promising recruits, among them the Sept. 11 hijackers. Early in 1999, bin Laden gave the go-ahead for a scaled-down version of Mohammed's proposal three years earlier.


According to Mohammed, the two drew up a list of potential targets:


_the Capitol, perceived source of U.S. policy in support of Israel;


_the White House and Pentagon (news - web sites), both advocated by bin Laden as potent American symbols;


_the World Trade Center, favored by Mohammed, whose nephew Yousef was in prison for the 1993 bombing of the towers that represented America's financial might.


Bin Laden selected potential suicide hijackers. The first two arrived in Los Angeles on Jan. 15, 2000. During the next 18 months, 17 more followed, some entering the country on fraudulent visas. Four, including ringleader Mohammed Atta, attended U.S. flight schools.


FBI (news - web sites) agents in Arizona and Minnesota were suspicious of the flight students, but their alarms went unheeded by higher-ups.


The summer of 2001 was a time of intensive preparation by the hijackers. They rode cross-country flights for surveillance, brought boxcutters onto planes as tests, practiced flying rented planes and honed their strength at gyms.


Meanwhile, in Afghanistan, senior al-Qaida leaders were under pressure from the Taliban not to attack inside America's borders. Some feared U.S. military retaliation. Despite the pressure, bin Laden prodded Atta to get on with it.


In mid-August, Atta settled on the date of Sept. 11, choosing a week when Congress would be back from summer break. Bin Laden wanted to strike the White House; Atta preferred the Capitol as an easier target. The commission said it has been unable to determine definitely which was the intended target on Sept. 11.


The hijackers bought their flight tickets in late August and early September. Then, ever loyal, they took care of a final detail sending back to al-Qaida $36,000 they didn't need.





At the airports early on Sept. 11, nine of the hijackers were pulled aside for extra security screenings, but all were allowed to proceed, some with hidden knives and boxcutters.

At 8 a.m., American Airlines Flight 11 took off from Boston, with five hijackers aboard. Within 45 minutes, the other 14 hijackers were airborne: on flights out of Boston at 8:14, from Dulles airport near Washington at 8:20, from Newark, N.J., at 8:42.

On the ground, the first sign of trouble came when air traffic control lost contact with Flight 11 about 8:13 a.m. Minutes later, air traffic controllers heard an ominous transmission from the cockpit:

"We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be OK. We are returning to the airport."

The Boston controller wasn't sure what he had just heard. Then came a second transmission, believed to have been the voice of Atta, the plane's pilot, addressing the passengers: "Nobody move. Everything will be OK. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane."

It was a hijacking.

Air controllers first tried to call a military alert site in Atlantic City, N.J., unaware it had been closed. It was the start of a cascade of communications errors that morning that undermined any chance of stopping the attacks.

At 8:37 a.m., controllers reached the Northeast sector of NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command, and urged them to scramble fighter jets because a hijacked plane was headed for New York.

"Is this real-world or exercise?" responded an incredulous military official.

"No, this is not an exercise, not a test," the FAA (news - web sites) said.

Nine minutes later, Flight 11 flew into the north tower of the World Trade Center.

Those nine minutes were the most notice the military would receive of any of the four hijackings.

Confusion turned to chaos during the next hour, as the Federal Aviation Administration struggled with "an unprecedented challenge they had never encountered and had never trained to meet," the commission wrote.

Just before 9 a.m., President Bush (news - web sites) stood outside a Sarasota, Fla., elementary school classroom, preparing to read to second-graders. Aides told him a small plane had struck the World Trade Center. He assumed it was a tragic accident, though the FAA and air defense officials already knew otherwise.

Air traffic controllers in New York were looking frantically for another plane that had disappeared from their screens. The hijackers had turned off its transponder, a tracking device.

"It's escalating big, big time," a New York manager warned the FAA command center in Herndon, Va. Two minutes later, United Airlines Flight 175 from Boston crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center.

White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card whispered in the president's ear: "A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack."

Bush stayed in the classroom another five minutes or so, listening to children read. He later said he was trying to project calm.

Bush wanted to return to the White House, but his aides and the Secret Service advised it was too dangerous. Air Force One took off about 9:55 a.m., its destination undecided.

The Secret Service (news - web sites) just wanted to get him off the ground quick on a day when death came from the air, the skies offered refuge.

Before Air Force One could lift off, the Pentagon was in flames from the crash of American Airlines Flight 77.

That plane, which had taken off from Dulles, deviated from its flight pattern, then disappeared from radar at 8:54 a.m. A controller in Indianapolis, who had been tracking it, was unaware of the first two hijackings and believed it might have crashed.

A half-hour later, air traffic personnel at Dulles airport spotted the plane moving east at an extremely high speed. An unarmed National Guard cargo plane, already in the air, was tasked to follow it.

Minutes later, at 9:38 a.m., came his report: "Looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon, sir."

Bush reacted to the news by calling Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) from the air: "Sounds like we have a minor war going on here. I heard about the Pentagon. We're at war. ... Somebody's going to pay."

Meanwhile, air traffic control in Cleveland heard transmissions that sounded like screams and a struggle. Then a voice from United Flight 93: "Keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board."

The plane turned toward Washington.

As FAA higher-ups discussed whether military jets should be scrambled, the passengers and flight attendants took things into their own hands, improvising an assault on the hijackers.

In the White House's underground shelter, with reports of a jet closing in, Cheney authorized the Air Force to shoot down hijacked planes. Cheney said Bush earlier had given him the authority to do so.

The order, which came minutes after Flight 93 had crashed in a Pennsylvania field, never was passed on to the fighters circling Washington and New York.

The same National Guard pilot who witnessed the Pentagon crash, then resumed his flight to Minnesota, was the first to report "black smoke" on the ground in Pennsylvania.

Two hours after it began, an attack five years in the making was over. The last plane had been downed short of its target, not because of government action, but at the hands of its passengers.

"We are sure that the nation owes a debt to the passengers of United 93," the commission wrote. "Their actions saved the lives of countless others, and may have saved either the U.S. Capitol or the White

Miss Mally
06-18-2004, 11:58 PM
Jen...can you be more specific about what you really think Bush has messed up?

jenfrog81
06-19-2004, 12:02 AM
Jen...can you be more specific about what you really think Bush has messed up? > TO me . Bush said that Iraq had like Nukes and stuff * but they never found anything * . Mostly about the War . Why have we not found Bin La Din ? Why didn't we try going for him first then Sadam .... Maybe I'm just confuss

Miss Mally
06-19-2004, 12:14 AM
Bush said that Hussen had weapons of mass destruction...He neve said he had nukes...he did say that Hussen was working at trying to get nuclear capabilities. This is what our countries CIA was telling Bush. He has to rely on information from some where. He made a choice not to take a chance that they may be right. And they still may be. Those weapons could have been buried or movied into Syria. In fact...a Tanker truck load of Chemicals for Chemical weapons was captured in Syria...with Iraqis..on a planned terrorist attack just about a month or so ago.

WMD were only one reason Jen...for going into this war. Bush told us after 9-11 that our country was going to go after every other country that was involved in terrorism. We as a country applauded that and told him YES. It seems to me...that the people just don't have the guts or the courage to stay the course anymore.

It may take years to get Bin Ladden....do we let others escape...allow others to continue with their terrorism...while we search for ONE man? I think not....we get them all when we can and where we can. Bin Ladden...will be gotten one day...if he is even still alive.

Gearldean
06-19-2004, 07:55 AM
...It may take years to get Bin Ladden....do we let others escape...allow others to continue with their terrorism...while we search for ONE man? I think not....we get them all when we can and where we can. Bin Ladden...will be gotten one day...if he is even still alive.
Well said! I only quoted part of your post but the "well said" applies to the whole thing!

BigGunz
06-19-2004, 10:00 AM
I agree with that also!

Rhiannon
06-19-2004, 12:21 PM
WMD were only one reason Jen...for going into this war. Bush told us after 9-11 that our country was going to go after every other country that was involved in terrorism. We as a country applauded that and told him YES. It seems to me...that the people just don't have the guts or the courage to stay the course anymore.

It may take years to get Bin Ladden....do we let others escape...allow others to continue with their terrorism...while we search for ONE man? I think not....we get them all when we can and where we can. Bin Ladden...will be gotten one day...if he is even still alive.

We have to stay on course and back our great President 100%.

BigGunz
06-19-2004, 01:14 PM
Your right...we have to stay the course and back the president 100% for sure. We cannot give in or falter in any way at all!

Miss Mally
06-19-2004, 07:02 PM
Thanks Gd....it just seems like common sense to me. I have never understood someone thinking we should just go after one terrorist...and let the others keep destroying.

BigGunz
06-19-2004, 08:06 PM
The war against terrorism will go on way beyond our years here and may go on way past our childrens children also....We can only hope to deter it somewhat in the days that we will be alive to see.