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Rhiannon
06-18-2004, 01:16 PM
Fox just reported it. They are also saying there is a video of his head.
These b*st*rds are just begging for another crusade.

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 01:35 PM
IU have this on News

Rhiannon
06-18-2004, 01:40 PM
IU have this on News

I missed it there. I thought, it would create more discussion here.

Gearldean
06-18-2004, 02:08 PM
Fox just reported it. They are also saying there is a video of his head.
These b*st*rds are just begging for another crusade.
I agree with you, Rhiannan. They would love to push the US into making a big mistake over this!

Pond
06-18-2004, 02:10 PM
I am afraid this is only the beginning .. It is a sad day for all of us .. I would like for the USA to just fight a little harder , even if we all have to tighten our belts for a while .. WE MUST FIGHT ON

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 02:40 PM
I Say we go down there and get one of the al Qaeda prisoners * actully Two * and get on a web-site and cut there head off and see how they like it . Or we can just cut off sadam Head * HEY A EYE FOR A EYE . :twisted:

Gearldean
06-18-2004, 02:45 PM
I Say we go down there and get one of the al Qaeda prisoners * actully Two * and get on a web-site and cut there head off and see how they like it . Or we can just cut off sadam Head * HEY A EYE FOR A EYE . :twisted:
That's not God's way and it's not the American way!

Bullet_Bob
06-18-2004, 02:58 PM
i have to agree with jen frog about this.

Miss Mally
06-18-2004, 02:59 PM
We should never have went into Iraq....we should have just dropped a couple of nuclear bombs and been done with them!

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 03:07 PM
YEA THAT IS WHAT I 'M SAYING , * FIRST GET ALL THE BABIES OUT OF THERE * BUT YEA . WHEN WE FINE THEN I WAS TO CUT THEM UP WITH A RAZOR BLADE AND THEN RUB SALT ALL OVER THEM AND THEN THROW THEM IN A POOL OF ALCOHOLIC WITH LIVING SHARKS . :twisted:

BigGunz
06-18-2004, 03:34 PM
I heard someone say today to get all the good people out and turn that whole damn place into a parking lot!

wellspring
06-18-2004, 03:45 PM
We are better than them. Our behavior is what sets us apart and always has. Don't you think it was tempting to take all the German leaders and subject them to the same treatment that the Jews recieved. We did not though. We tried them in a court and sentenced them accordingly. Repaying an attrocity with an attrocity will get us know where. Our soldiers and our government need to remember that we have morals and that we have ethics. If we started behaving the way they do then we would be no better than them. We have to set ourselves apart from the barbarians.
Besides committing attrocities is not the answer. Look at the Vietnam war. The isolated times our soldiers sunk to the level of the guerillas that they were fighting and committed attrocities the backlash was severre. We are looked upon as a civilized nation and as such are expected to act like a civilized nation in all that we do including war. I am proud of our soldiers for exhibiting the restraint that they do. I am proud of our soldiers for remembering that they are representing our country and for showing the world how a proud and civilized nation conducts itself.

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 03:49 PM
***puts head down *** Yes I understand I just wanted to play **** :( :( :( ***mubbles your no fun ! LOL

fishhook
06-18-2004, 04:30 PM
I think it's like Miss Mally said about the cow thing. They just pick out a cow and say that it's the one they were looking for. If they really could track a cow down then they could have found this guy, sent in special forces, wipe these troublemakers out, rescue Mr Johnson, and be done with it. I mean, I know they can't turn the world upside down for one person, but dadgum, do the best you can to find and return these hostages to their families. :x :x :x

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 04:31 PM
I really don't think they Try hard enough to fine him

Gearldean
06-18-2004, 05:35 PM
I think it's like Miss Mally said about the cow thing. They just pick out a cow and say that it's the one they were looking for. If they really could track a cow down then they could have found this guy, sent in special forces, wipe these troublemakers out, rescue Mr Johnson, and be done with it. I mean, I know they can't turn the world upside down for one person, but dadgum, do the best you can to find and return these hostages to their families. :x :x :x
How do you KNOW what they did or didn't do to find him?

fishhook
06-18-2004, 05:51 PM
I did hear this morning that hostage specialist were working with the Saudi(sp) govenment to find him, but did not have any leads. I'm just saying that I hope they are doing their best to find these people. In other words, I hope they care.

DrDon
06-18-2004, 06:47 PM
I'm angry, but I'm not surprised. It's terrible this had to happen to the Johnson family.

I wonder how many more beheadings it will take before the anti-war crowd, the Kerry campaign, and the rest of the leftists realize that this is the fate the Islamofacists want for every one of us.

I also wonder how much farther we'll allow this to go on without retribution. It's not revenge I'm looking for, it's justice. It's moral to reward the good. It is equally moral for the evil and vicious to be punished. That's what I want -- justice brought to the evil.

Gearldean
06-18-2004, 07:11 PM
I did hear this morning that hostage specialist were working with the Saudi(sp) govenment to find him, but did not have any leads. I'm just saying that I hope they are doing their best to find these people. In other words, I hope they care.
There is no doubt in my mind that they care. There IS doubt in my mind about the folks in this country who continue to protest any effort put forth by our country to stop these brutal acts of terrorism. Everybody and their dog thinks someone else can do better but the fact is, they don't, they can't and they won't.

What the terrorists see is a country divided and they are encouraged to do even more because they more brutal the attacks, the more divided our country becomes. I think it's time for the people of this country to band together and give OUR guys a little bit of encouragement and comfort for a change! Give our President the credit and support that he so richly deserves!

AnonyMouseII
06-18-2004, 07:49 PM
Saudi Arabia should have announced that if the hostage is killed, all the Al-Qaida prisoners that the kidnappers wanted freed would be shot. And then followed through. It would have sent a very strong message, freed the SA court system, freed up the prisons and a statement of good faith to their so called friends the USA. We all know that Saudi's aren't really our friends.

Smoke'em all. and drill through the glass!

Neutron bombs aren't really that bad!

Gearldean
06-18-2004, 07:52 PM
Saudi Arabia should have announced that if the hostage is killed, all the Al-Qaida prisoners that the kidnappers wanted freed would be shot. And then followed through. It would have sent a very strong message, freed the SA court system, freed up the prisons and a statement of good faith to their so called friends the USA. We all know that Saudi's aren't really our friends.

Smoke'em all. and drill through the glass!

Neutron bombs aren't really that bad!
I could go for that idea! Good thinking, Any!

Miss Mally
06-18-2004, 10:35 PM
We can't find how many missing children in THIS country? How many little children are abducted and have much worse done to them before they are killed?

And yet we expect our people to go into another country...find a kidnapped victem and save him before some nut chops his head off?

I am not trying to lesson the pain of this mans death in anyway...but it does kinda bother me to see this country get in a bigger dither over a man who chose to work in a country where he knew the risk was high....but counldn't tell you how many kids went missing in the US today alone.

Rhiannon
06-18-2004, 10:42 PM
I say the next time they take a hostage, period, that we give Mecca 48 hours to evacuate and drop a nuke on it. Continue this plan until they are wiped out or they quit.....how simple is that?

BigGunz
06-18-2004, 10:52 PM
20 FBI agents were dispatched to help Saudi personnel to locate Mr. Johnson....Suadi officials said they had 1600 or 16000 people on it...cant remember which...anyways and they said they searched over a thousand places....hmmmmmmm...didnt a recent hostage situation take place and the Saudi forces storm the place and the terrorist got away granted one was shot but geeze they had them...the eyes of the world were on them and they failed...they let them slip out the back door when they had them dead to rights ?...I dont trust them at all!

Miss Mally
06-18-2004, 10:55 PM
20 FBI agents were dispatched to help Saudi personnel to locate Mr. Johnson....Suadi officials said they had 1600 or 16000 people on it...cant remember which...anyways and they said they searched over a thousand places....hmmmmmmm...didnt a recent hostage situation take place and the Saudi forces storm the place and the terrorist got away granted one was shot but geeze they had them...the eyes of the world were on them and they failed...they let them slip out the back door when they had them dead to rights ?...I dont trust them at all!

I am no fan of the saudis...but Big...how many bad guys here in the states have we let slip out the back door while the cops were coming in the front. This type of hunt and capture isn't a cake walk for anyone.

BigGunz
06-18-2004, 11:32 PM
I know...and its never an exact science either and human error is a great factor in most failed attempts. but we did catch the Texas 7.....and saudi had the world watching...at least let our guys go in a get them...they are more highly trained to handle the situation than I bet the Saudis are. I still dont trust them...and I honestly feel that they arent being honest with us on everything. I hope Im wrong on all of this..I really do!

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 11:37 PM
Did They ever Fine out if the Leader was Dead ?

BigGunz
06-18-2004, 11:42 PM
Jen ?...thats what they are claiming still...and we were just discussing that very thing. I know you keep up with the news post better than anyone here as far as i can tell and seems you been getting some flack for it also....oh well you doa good job...I dont mind at all when are where you post the news slerts on here...contrary to what a few people think current events do stir up debate...so you just keep doing what your doing. and If you hear about anything on that leader please post it as soon as possible and let us know ok? thanks

Miss Mally
06-18-2004, 11:44 PM
Jen ?...thats what they are claiming still...and we were just discussing that very thing. I know you keep up with the news post better than anyone here as far as i can tell and seems you been getting some flack for it also....oh well you doa good job...I dont mind at all when are where you post the news slerts on here...contrary to what a few people think current events do stir up debate...so you just keep doing what your doing. and If you hear about anything on that leader please post it as soon as possible and let us know ok? thanks

amen!

BigGunz
06-18-2004, 11:44 PM
oh yeah...but of course I have no intelligence and wouldnt know it if I did...so I probaly couldnt read it anyways...so if you could throw in some pictures so I could better understand it...please do!.....roflol

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 11:47 PM
oh yeah...but of course I have no intelligence and wouldnt know it if I did...so I probaly couldnt read it anyways...so if you could throw in some pictures so I could better understand it...please do!.....roflol Yea i read that . I'v been gone most of the Day so I'm trying to catch up . and I will get the latest new up ..LOL

BigGunz
06-18-2004, 11:51 PM
thanks jen!

jenfrog81
06-18-2004, 11:53 PM
Web Denies Death of al-Qaida Leader

2 minutes ago


CAIRO, Egypt - A message posted on an Islamic militant Web site Saturday denied that the leader of the al-Qaida cell in Saudi Arabia had been killed.



Abdulaziz al-Moqrin had purportedly overseen the kinapping of Paul M. Johnson, the American whose decapitated body was found on Friday in Riyadh. Saudi officials claimed al-Moqrin, the reputed leader of the group calling itself al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, was killed in a shootout after Johnson's body was found.


"Some satellite networks and news agencies have been propagating the false news that Abdel Aziz al-Moqrin, God preserve him, has been killed," the statement said. "We would like to say that such claims, unleashed by the tyrants of Saudi Arabia, are aimed at dissuading the holy warriors and crushing their spirits."


The statement was impossible to verify but appeared on a Web site where similar claims have been made in the past. It began with a Quranic verse that urges believers to ensure the truth of information they receive, and was similar in appearance and tone as past messages.


It said another statement would appear soon.


A U.S. official speaking on condition of anonymity Friday had confirmed that 31-year-old al-Moqrin was dead. A Saudi official said forensic tests would be conducted on the body to confirm his identity.

CuriousGal
06-18-2004, 11:58 PM
It's incredibly obvious that Saudi Arabia is NO friend of ours, no matter how much they would like to say they are. Yes, our people are in danger there and they should get the heck out of Dodge.

For those who say that we should behave as Al Qaeda has, an eye for an eye....we can't do that because it's NOT right. We Americans do the right thing because we know what is right. And as to the thought that we should nuke them? Same story. It's absolutely wrong to throw nuclear warheads at anyone. Yes, we did that in the past but that was a different story and a different time. I don't believe that there is a person alive who would agree that nuclear warheads are the answer for Iraq.

I'm with Wellspring on this. We have to remain humans in our dealings with Iraq and all of these terrorists. If we stoop to their level, we are no better than they are.

I applaud our President because he has never stooped. He's fought on the highest of levels.

CG

Miss Mally
06-19-2004, 12:03 AM
I don't have a problem with nukes. I never have a problem with doing what it takes to protect our people...to save as many of our solders lives as possible. This is WAR and war ain't pretty...

The Geneva Convention is a waste...no one but us even attempts to adhear to it....and it ties our hands behind our backs in protecting our own solders.

The League of Nations, The Geneva Convention and the UN were all part and parcel of an attempt to prevent more wars. Wars have not been prevented....all of these attempts were failures...and not in the US's best interest. It is our Governments job to look out for our country first and foremost...and we need to dump the UN

jenfrog81
06-19-2004, 12:05 AM
...I'm not saying that I 'm going to go cut someone head off but right now that is the only way i can put how I feel about the whole thing and tomorrow I may say okay GOD WILL DEAL WITH THEM * BUT THAT JUDGING > WHo knows .. 8)

BigGunz
06-19-2004, 12:11 AM
your grief and animosity is shared by many jen...and I assure you it is ok to feel that way in the heat of the moment...nothing wrong with that at all...and changing your mind is acceptable also and shows your just as human as the rest of us with compassion towards your fellow Americans who are just innocent by standers. A tragedy doesnt always need to have such a violent response.....but sometimes it is necessary of the two evils. I like you and many others are tired of seeing innocent victims familes destroyed by brutality of a sadidstic bunch of uncommon thugs with no morals or concern for human life!

jenfrog81
06-19-2004, 12:13 AM
LOL) I had my caps on . LOL . sorry about that , :lol:

fishhook
06-19-2004, 10:00 AM
...I'm not saying that I 'm going to go cut someone head off but right now that is the only way i can put how I feel about the whole thing and tomorrow I may say okay GOD WILL DEAL WITH THEM * BUT THAT JUDGING > WHo knows .. 8)

My thoughts exactly, except this is today and I'm still upset. :)

They got the Texas seven because they killed a cop. If Al Qaeda got someone important they probably would turn the world upside down and find them.

BigGunz
06-19-2004, 10:03 AM
They did kill someone important...3000 innocent American citizens....I think they were all important!

fishhook
06-19-2004, 10:38 AM
They were. We are turning the world upside down to find those who did it. If they were to kidnap an FBI agent and threaten to behead them I wonder what would happen.

Gearldean
06-19-2004, 12:16 PM
They were. We are turning the world upside down to find those who did it. If they were to kidnap an FBI agent and threaten to behead them I wonder what would happen.
Surely you jest!

Pond
06-19-2004, 12:42 PM
They were. We are turning the world upside down to find those who did it. If they were to kidnap an FBI agent and threaten to behead them I wonder what would happen.
I think the same thing would have happened . I am upset ,also. JUST how many times do we have to turn the other side of our butt to them before we fight back ...

Pond
06-19-2004, 12:46 PM
I heard on the radio "today" that they have NOT found Pauls` body as was reported yesterday .. They sure want to parade that they have the killers . I still don`t believe that they have the killers .. it is a ploy to the USA ..

BigGunz
06-19-2004, 12:54 PM
i agree pond...the news said at first that saudi officials had reports from witnesses that a car was dumping the body (Johnson) and the witnesses gave a liscense plate number the Saudi cops caught up with the car at a gas station where the gun battle ensued...now they say the body wasnt recovered?....I dont trust the saudis...somethings amiss and has been with them for a long time!

fishhook
06-19-2004, 01:13 PM
They were. We are turning the world upside down to find those who did it. If they were to kidnap an FBI agent and threaten to behead them I wonder what would happen.
Surely you jest!

Jesting to which part?

Were the people in the WTC's not important? Are we not looking for the terrorist responsible for the WCT's, sence that is what spurred the whole thing with us.? I do wonder what the FBI or "hostage specialist" would do iif one of theirs was kidnapped.

Gearldean
06-19-2004, 01:49 PM
Jesting to which part?

Were the people in the WTC's not important? Are we not looking for the terrorist responsible for the WCT's, sence that is what spurred the whole thing with us.? I do wonder what the FBI or "hostage specialist" would do iif one of theirs was kidnapped.
You seemed to be suggesting that IF it were an FBI agent, or someone they considered more important, that more would be done to rescue them. I thought you may have been joking!

I've seen some folks make a referrence to the fact that cows can be tracked in this country but they can't find people who are kidnapped. The difference there is that records are kept on the transfer of property but a kidnapper is dang sure not gonna give anyone a bill of sale for the hostage.

fishhook
06-19-2004, 02:36 PM
Jesting to which part?

Were the people in the WTC's not important? Are we not looking for the terrorist responsible for the WCT's, sence that is what spurred the whole thing with us.? I do wonder what the FBI or "hostage specialist" would do iif one of theirs was kidnapped.
You seemed to be suggesting that IF it were an FBI agent, or someone they considered more important, that more would be done to rescue them. I thought you may have been joking!

Maybe they would. I've seen on tv, when someone kills a policeman that they seem to get more involved with the case, more quickly. This is reality tv(news, etc...) not the typical one hour shows, I'm talking about.


I've seen some folks make a referrence to the fact that cows can be tracked in this country but they can't find people who are kidnapped. The difference there is that records are kept on the transfer of property but a kidnapper is dang sure not gonna give anyone a bill of sale for the hostage.

Hadn't thought of that. You are right.

Gearldean
06-19-2004, 03:02 PM
Maybe they would. I've seen on tv, when someone kills a policeman that they seem to get more involved with the case, more quickly. This is reality tv(news, etc...) not the typical one hour shows, I'm talking about...
Now I KNOW you're joking! Reality and TV just don't go together!

fishhook
06-19-2004, 06:07 PM
Maybe they would. I've seen on tv, when someone kills a policeman that they seem to get more involved with the case, more quickly. This is reality tv(news, etc...) not the typical one hour shows, I'm talking about...
Now I KNOW you're joking! Reality and TV just don't go together!

:lol: Ok. I've SEEN and HEARD stories of law enforcement officers being killed or seriously injured and it put fellow officers at a greater intencity to find/stop these people because of it.

How's that? :D

Gearldean
06-19-2004, 07:47 PM
:lol: Ok. I've SEEN and HEARD stories of law enforcement officers being killed or seriously injured and it put fellow officers at a greater intencity to find/stop these people because of it.

How's that? :D
Well, actually, I can understand how they might feel. Law enforcement officers are there to protect us and they have many encounters with those who would do them in without batting an eye. I'm thinking that they feel a kinship with fellow officers and the loss of a fellow officer would be more deeply felt than that of a stranger. That does NOT mean in any way that they think an officer is any more important! Think about it as you would if one of your brothers or sisters was killed or in danger. I'm thinking you would feel that loss more deeply than you would the loss of a stranger.

fishhook
06-19-2004, 11:38 PM
Well, I am feeling the loss of this Johnson fellow pretty deeply. Not quite as deeply as I would if it was my brother , sister or child. It's just frustrating to hear of this happening and hope they are doing their best to find them and not just saying so to make them selves feel good tomorrow.

Gearldean
06-20-2004, 12:00 AM
Well, I am feeling the loss of this Johnson fellow pretty deeply. Not quite as deeply as I would if it was my brother , sister or child. It's just frustrating to hear of this happening and hope they are doing their best to find them and not just saying so to make them selves feel good tomorrow.
I know it's frustrating! It's also frustrating to me to hear folks say someone else didn't do all that they could have or should have. I don't know what hardships these guys endure just to get information that leads them somewhere but I AM sure it's not an easy or simple task. Not for one single second do I think there was any lack of effort in finding Johnson. I've said this many times in the past but I'll say it once more! You can blame folks like John Kerry for these atrocities!

fishhook
06-20-2004, 12:16 AM
Well, I am feeling the loss of this Johnson fellow pretty deeply. Not quite as deeply as I would if it was my brother , sister or child. It's just frustrating to hear of this happening and hope they are doing their best to find them and not just saying so to make them selves feel good tomorrow.
I know it's frustrating! It's also frustrating to me to hear folks say someone else didn't do all that they could have or should have. I don't know what hardships these guys endure just to get information that leads them somewhere but I AM sure it's not an easy or simple task. Not for one single second do I think there was any lack of effort in finding Johnson. I've said this many times in the past but I'll say it once more! You can blame folks like John Kerry for these atrocities!

How so?

Gearldean
06-20-2004, 12:37 AM
How so?
By providing encouragement to our enemies.
By undermining our President.
By undermining our military.
By assuring our enemies that he will will be a pushover if elected.
and the list goes on.

Miss Mally
06-20-2004, 12:48 AM
Thank you Gd...all good and valid points!

fishhook
06-20-2004, 01:01 AM
How so?
By providing encouragement to our enemies.
By undermining our President.
By undermining our military.
By assuring our enemies that he will will be a pushover if elected.
and the list goes on.

You right about that.

Wasn't trying to be smart. Just wasn't sure what you meant and needed clarification. :oops: :)

fishhook
06-20-2004, 01:06 AM
I have the tv on here on MSNBC and they were doing a special on S.W.A.T teams and they said that they spend more time with each other than with their families. I guess that would explain alot of their closeness, as they are a sort of band-of-brothers or family in themselves.

Gearldean
06-20-2004, 01:08 AM
You right about that.

Wasn't trying to be smart. Just wasn't sure what you meant and needed clarification. :oops: :)
Never for a minute thought you were trying to be smart. Glad my reply was clarifying! :D

Gearldean
06-20-2004, 01:11 AM
I have the tv on here on MSNBC and they were doing a special on S.W.A.T teams and they said that they spend more time with each other than with their families. I guess that would explain alot of their closeness, as they are a sort of band-of-brothers or family in themselves.
You're absogoldurnlultly right!