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jenfrog81
06-19-2004, 10:35 AM
THIS IS ALL THE INFO OH WHAT ARE GOVERMENT I HOPE DIDN'T DO !
The following are excerpts from an investigation by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba (which was ordered by Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of Joint Task Force-7. (Complete text of the Taguba report is posted at the MSNBC site.)
In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses

a. Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;

b. Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

c. Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

d. Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;

e. Threatening male detainees with rape;

f. Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;

g. Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.

h. Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.

(T)he intentional abuse of detainees by military police personnel included the following acts:

a. Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;

b. Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;

c. Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;

d. Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;

e. Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear;

f. Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

g. Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;

h. Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;

i. Writing “I am a Rapest” (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

j. Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;

k. A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;

l. Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;

m. Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.

These findings are amply supported by written confessions provided by several of the suspects, written statements provided by detainees, and witness statements.

The various detention facilities operated by the 800th MP Brigade have routinely held persons brought to them by Other Government Agencies (OGAs) without accounting for them, knowing their identities, or even the reason for their detention. The Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center (JIDC) at Abu Ghraib called these detainees “ghost detainees.”

On at least one occasion, the 320th MP Battalion at Abu Ghraib held a handful of “ghost detainees” (6-8) for OGAs that they moved around within the facility to hide them from a visiting International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) survey team. This maneuver was deceptive, contrary to Army Doctrine, and in violation of international law.


The U.S. is committed to the worldwide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the U.S. and the community of law abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating and prosecuting all acts of torture."

— George W. Bush, U.N. Torture Victims Recognition Day, June 26, 2003

whocares
06-19-2004, 10:43 AM
Damn, girl! You think it's important to post something like this and to blame our government for it? Our government didn't do it. Individual criminals within our military and intelligence organizations did it.

Those poor, poor Iraqi detainees. I wonder how many of them were beheaded while being videotaped?

jenfrog81
06-19-2004, 10:48 AM
First of all WATCH your Mouth . Second I just thought SOME PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS . Third I wish you would just get off my back . fourth I found this by doing some reseach . Geezzz can you just STOP for a min . People come in here to debait about things NOT TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU LIKE OR YOU THINK .

jenfrog81
06-19-2004, 10:50 AM
Damn, girl! You think it's important to post something like this and to blame our government for it? Our government didn't do it. Individual criminals within our military and intelligence organizations did it.

Those poor, poor Iraqi detainees. I wonder how many of them were beheaded while being videotaped? You know what I think you are doing this to get a raise out of me . Seee NONONONONO . I 'm not going to stoop down to your level . Have a GOOD DAY > :lol:

BigGunz
06-19-2004, 10:51 AM
Thanks Jen for posting that bit of information...this is some news I havent heard yet...i am going to agree with whocares on this one...Our government didnt do these things...these acts were inflicted by individuals acting on their own. And will be held accountable for their actions and indiscretions. I like your point about videotape and beheadings. Those sick SOBs disgust me to no end. Its an outrage!

jenfrog81
06-19-2004, 10:54 AM
No I didn't fine this in the big NEWs company I had found this when I was Researching some stuff . I don't know if it's true >I just thought it was intersting . If are soilders did do it I'm sure they will be punised or brought to justic of some kind . Not un less are goverment said to do it .

Anonymous
06-19-2004, 12:09 PM
I dont think any of us will ever know if our government is misusing their power. I don't think they would tell us. Our government is certainly capable of such atrocities, but, like Biggunz says, it was probably individuals that did these things. They are no longer human beings in my eyes, nor is anyone else who does such things. Unfortunetely there will always be people who take out anger like that of the abusers, and intances like these tha you speak of will continue in all probability. Thank you for posting that article Jenn.

Gearldean
06-19-2004, 12:11 PM
I'm not convinced that all those atrocities really happened. Though the author states that he finds the accusations credible, I don't. They come from detainees, who will do or say anything to destroy the credibility of the U.S., and military misfits.

Anonymous
06-19-2004, 12:11 PM
Damn, girl! You think it's important to post something like this and to blame our government for it? Our government didn't do it. Individual criminals within our military and intelligence organizations did it.

Those poor, poor Iraqi detainees. I wonder how many of them were beheaded while being videotaped? You know what I think you are doing this to get a raise out of me . Seee NONONONONO . I 'm not going to stoop down to your level . Have a GOOD DAY > :lol:

Well said Jenn... Well said

Anonymous
06-19-2004, 12:15 PM
I'm not convinced that all those atrocities really happened. Though the author states that he finds the accusations credible, I don't. They come from detainees, who will do or say anything to destroy the credibility of the U.S., and military misfits. You prove a good point GD. Anyone captive of the U.S for multiple reasons would probably say anything to destroy our credibility and convince the world of these atrocities. I mean, we have to remember who these people are and what they have been taught. We cannot really trust them fully.

jenfrog81
06-19-2004, 12:18 PM
I'm not convinced that all those atrocities really happened. Though the author states that he finds the accusations credible, I don't. They come from detainees, who will do or say anything to destroy the credibility of the U.S., and military misfits. You prove a good point GD. Anyone captive of the U.S for multiple reasons would probably say anything to destroy our credibility and convince the world of these atrocities. I mean, we have to remember who these people are and what they have been taught. We cannot really trust them fully. I forgot what Site I found this on . I should have wrote it down . But I've never seen this site before Look kinda cheat looking * I put in yahoo search * What The goverment don't want you to know. and this was one of the sites it brought me too .

Anonymous
06-19-2004, 12:21 PM
I'm not convinced that all those atrocities really happened. Though the author states that he finds the accusations credible, I don't. They come from detainees, who will do or say anything to destroy the credibility of the U.S., and military misfits. You prove a good point GD. Anyone captive of the U.S for multiple reasons would probably say anything to destroy our credibility and convince the world of these atrocities. I mean, we have to remember who these people are and what they have been taught. We cannot really trust them fully. I forgot what Site I found this on . I should have wrote it down . But I've never seen this site before Look kinda cheat looking * I put in yahoo search * What The goverment don't want you to know. and this was one of the sites it brought me too . It could be some writer on a random site playing a sick joke. Sounds to me like you need a more credible source. It was interesting though.

Rhiannon
06-19-2004, 12:24 PM
It has been said here many times before, the left will put a spin on whatever it can to make Bush and our Goverment look bad. I'm sure this report came from the left liberal whackos.

jenfrog81
06-19-2004, 12:24 PM
Yea . I thought it was interesting . But then again . We will NEVER know . But I pray that God be with EVERYONE SOUL ALL AROUND THE WORLD .

Anonymous
06-19-2004, 12:35 PM
It has been said here many times before, the left will put a spin on whatever it can to make Bush and our Goverment look bad. I'm sure this report came from the left liberal whackos. It was probably Al Franken :lol:

BigGunz
06-19-2004, 01:05 PM
roflol@ Rocin...your probably right!...

Rhiannon
06-19-2004, 09:39 PM
It has been said here many times before, the left will put a spin on whatever it can to make Bush and our Goverment look bad. I'm sure this report came from the left liberal whackos. It was probably Al Franken :lol:

LOL Thats it Roc! Thanks!

Miss Mally
06-19-2004, 11:45 PM
First of all....the sodomy and rape listed here...was initally reported by the Boston Globe. World Net Daily did their own investigation...and found that the pictures taken of these acts...that the Boston Globe used to support their article...we in fact FAKES and were made by a porno film maker.

other than those things on this list...I don't particularly have a problem with anything else on the list.

So what if they were marched around naked...so what if they had cold water sprayed on them. That is exactly what happens to our prisoners here in the USA when they go to the pen. They are striped...they have body cavity searches and they are washed down. Why should we treat terrorists any better than we do our own murders.

As to Beating them...if it saves one of our boys lives over there...beat them...and then beat them again...till we get the info needed to stop the car bombings and save lives.

Yes...we did have a solder fire a 9mm off close to a prisoner to get him to give information about a suspected attack on our troops. That solder was Allen West from Ft. Hood. He is a hero...HE saved lives and he is a great man. He is also a good man....with a family and he has put his life on the line for us time and time again.

here is an excerpt of an email Allen West sent me.

God bless you and thanks. Right now I am on my pre-retirement transition leave here in South Florida. It has been my distinct honor to have served America and my fellow Americans for the past twenty plus years. Now it is time for an Old Soldier to fade away and just spend time with wife and daughters.
Blessings and Regards, LTC Al West

This man got early retirement and his wife was shunned by the other officer's wives on Ft Hood...because of what he did. He saved lives and deserves a metal. But because of the uproar of the American people...we put one of our best solders out to pasture.


anyone who would like to send this brave man an email thanking him for fighting for us...here is his email....I am sure he would appreciate a kind word.

allen.west@us.army.mil

lakeboy911
06-20-2004, 04:49 AM
who knows, we may have gotten imformation from the torture and saved american lives! they would like to see us all dead, they were put in there for some reason. don't think it was because of standing on the street corner!

Anonymous
06-21-2004, 07:59 AM
Seems to me that the "detainees" are treated like guests when compared to the treatment Nick Berg and Paul Johnson received! :evil: :evil:

krispy
06-21-2004, 12:14 PM
THIS IS ALL THE INFO OH WHAT ARE GOVERMENT I HOPE DIDN'T DO !

If you're going to play reporter on Eastlandspin.....please learn some grammar skills. Or at least learn how to type. I don't know which one is your problem, but something needs tweaking.

jenfrog81
06-21-2004, 12:31 PM
THIS IS ALL THE INFO OH WHAT ARE GOVERMENT I HOPE DIDN'T DO !

If you're going to play reporter on Eastlandspin.....please learn some grammar skills. Or at least learn how to type. I don't know which one is your problem, but something needs tweaking. Yes I'm aware of this . Thank you for pointing that out . I have bad grammar skills I know . I know How to type Thank you for concerning about this . Now can you chose something else to talk about or someone else .

krispy
06-21-2004, 12:34 PM
THIS IS ALL THE INFO OH WHAT ARE GOVERMENT I HOPE DIDN'T DO !

If you're going to play reporter on Eastlandspin.....please learn some grammar skills. Or at least learn how to type. I don't know which one is your problem, but something needs tweaking. Yes I'm aware of this . Thank you for pointing that out . I have bad grammar skills I know . I know How to type Thank you for concerning about this . Now can you chose something else to talk about or someone else .

lol. That also makes no sense. Thank you for further proving my point.


Ok, I'm done...I swear.

jenfrog81
06-21-2004, 12:35 PM
Yea

krispy
06-21-2004, 12:38 PM
Mmm . Do us all a Fav. Get A life

626 posts, huh?

WHAT A LIFE!!!!

Miss Mally
06-21-2004, 12:39 PM
THIS IS ALL THE INFO OH WHAT ARE GOVERMENT I HOPE DIDN'T DO !

If you're going to play reporter on Eastlandspin.....please learn some grammar skills. Or at least learn how to type. I don't know which one is your problem, but something needs tweaking.

Krisp....correcting spelling and grammer or typos is concidered the worst net etiquette. Becareful....EVERY SINGLE person I have seen correct someone else on something here....has had it come back and bite them...as they soon have a typo or misspelling or make a gramatical error.

krispy
06-21-2004, 12:49 PM
o wells evan whin i types withnawt kareing i steel maik since & i woodnot lit it bawthur mie eethur if sum1 decydid two rietoweleeate agenst mie haf tha fun n peckn on sum1 is whin thay cant evan deefind thimsefes n uther peepal hav two taik up fer dim

i'm a light hearted person and i find humor in people who take everything so seriously and cant laugh at themselves when someone points out their faults we all have faults in one form or another just accept it and move on

WAhAHAhAHaaaahaha!

krispy
06-21-2004, 12:51 PM
THIS IS ALL THE INFO OH WHAT ARE GOVERMENT I HOPE DIDN'T DO !

If you're going to play reporter on Eastlandspin.....please learn some grammar skills. Or at least learn how to type. I don't know which one is your problem, but something needs tweaking.

Krisp....correcting spelling and grammer or typos is concidered the worst net etiquette. Becareful....EVERY SINGLE person I have seen correct someone else on something here....has had it come back and bite them...as they soon have a typo or misspelling or make a gramatical error.

go ahead! give it ur best shot!

jenfrog81
06-21-2004, 01:11 PM
Oh well . I don't care if you can't read it then skip to the next post . I think its funny that people like to Crawl under other peoples skin guess they have nothing better to do . Or they are having A BAD day ! Oh well .

Miss Mally
06-21-2004, 01:11 PM
NOt me...i never correct those things...they don't really matter to me. I just think it is tacky when others do.

jenfrog81
06-21-2004, 01:12 PM
I have to Agree with that . I guess it's a Problem that they have . Everyone fines Humor in something Good or Bad . :wink:

Anonymous
06-21-2004, 01:35 PM
Good job Jenn. We like your typing just the way it is. :D

jenfrog81
06-21-2004, 01:36 PM
(LOL) Thank you . Thank you. Hey does anyone know if there is ever going to be another Chat meetting or get together ???

Gearldean
06-21-2004, 03:37 PM
o wells evan whin i types withnawt kareing i steel maik since & i woodnot lit it bawthur mie eethur if sum1 decydid two rietoweleeate agenst mie haf tha fun n peckn on sum1 is whin thay cant evan deefind thimsefes n uther peepal hav two taik up fer dim

i'm a light hearted person and i find humor in people who take everything so seriously and cant laugh at themselves when someone points out their faults we all have faults in one form or another just accept it and move on

WAhAHAhAHaaaahaha!
Your post is rude, crude and highly uncalled for. To publicly ridicule someone is cruel, in my opinion. It has no place on this forum. There are some things that are just not funny. This is one of them. You add insult to injury when you ask them to laugh at themselves when someone points out "faults". I don't consider that to be a fault but, rather, a disability. If someone has a disability, that does NOT mean they lack intelligence! Quite often, their intelligence is higher than average.

I'll take a disability over cruelty any time!!!!!

krispy
06-21-2004, 03:47 PM
I don't think jenfrog has a disability....
I think she types fast and probably doesn't check over what she typed.

Also my post which you quoted G. was in response to Mally's post.

Anonymous
06-21-2004, 03:48 PM
Well said GD... Very well said. I agree with you completely. Krisp, if you wish to find humor by insulting other people, make sure they find humor in it as well first. You owe an apology for that post.

Anonymous
06-21-2004, 03:54 PM
Everyone has a different sense of humour.
Some are wet.
Some are dry.
Some are SARCASTIC.

looks to me like everyone needs to lighten up a little.

Gearldean
06-21-2004, 04:28 PM
I don't think jenfrog has a disability....
I think she types fast and probably doesn't check over what she typed.

Also my post which you quoted G. was in response to Mally's post.
I know it was in response to Mally's post. I don't know that Jen has a disability but neither do you. The simple fact IS that some folks do and you're taking a chance on hurting someone when you poke fun. I don't like it and I'll tell anyone anytime I see it that it's cruel. Some folks just don't realize how REALLY cruel it can be to the person to whom it is directed.

Gearldean
06-21-2004, 04:31 PM
Everyone has a different sense of humour.
Some are wet.
Some are dry.
Some are SARCASTIC.

looks to me like everyone needs to lighten up a little.
You're right that everyone has a different sense of humor. Just because one finds something humorous does not give one a license to publicly humiliate someone else.

In case ya don't know, yet, I don't lighten up about this sorta thing.

Anonymous
06-21-2004, 04:42 PM
I am proud of you GD. Stand up for that in which you believe! :wink:

BigGunz
06-21-2004, 05:49 PM
THIS IS ALL THE INFO OH WHAT ARE GOVERMENT I HOPE DIDN'T DO !

If you're going to play reporter on Eastlandspin.....please learn some grammar skills. Or at least learn how to type. I don't know which one is your problem, but something needs tweaking.

Thats tacky!...the only thing I agree with you on Krispy is your tag line...for sure your ignorance must be bliss to you!

Miss Mally
06-21-2004, 06:06 PM
Krispy...you have all the makings of a bully.

Ranger
06-21-2004, 07:27 PM
Jen--you just keep on posting--don't let anyone put you down. Some people get on here & have to try to run someone else down to build themselves up. They remind me of kindergarten kids. They are just being cruel & hateful. So ignore them & keep posting.

BigGunz
06-21-2004, 07:57 PM
Ditto...what Ranger said!

Anonymous
06-21-2004, 08:44 PM
o wells evan whin i types withnawt kareing i steel maik since & i woodnot lit it bawthur mie eethur if sum1 decydid two rietoweleeate agenst mie haf tha fun n peckn on sum1 is whin thay cant evan deefind thimsefes n uther peepal hav two taik up fer dim

i'm a light hearted person and i find humor in people who take everything so seriously and cant laugh at themselves when someone points out their faults we all have faults in one form or another just accept it and move on

WAhAHAhAHaaaahaha!

Krisp, this really makes me angry. This was completely childish and highly cruel. If you want to pick on someone, go pick on the neighbors. Jenn isnt wading into this crap because she does not want to waste a breath on a person like you, a person with sick humor and and terrible sense of it. Do not mock someone on this forum because you think that it is funny, especially when they don't think it is funny. Nothing could anger me more than you and this post. You need to change your attitude or leave! We don't take such things lighthearted around here, so dont make any sly comments. Don't even apologize, no one needs it or wants it. Just change your attitude or leave! :x

Rhiannon
06-21-2004, 08:54 PM
Now who is bullying who? Krispy explained herself. Why keep quoting her post over and over? When someone makes a mistake, do you have to throw it back at them over and over again?

Anonymous
06-21-2004, 09:01 PM
Send me to exactly where she did explain herself.

Rhiannon
06-21-2004, 09:04 PM
I don't think jenfrog has a disability....
I think she types fast and probably doesn't check over what she typed.

Also my post which you quoted G. was in response to Mally's post.

Well this is an explanation.

Girlie
06-21-2004, 09:04 PM
Send me to exactly where she did explain herself.

I tried to find it for ya, but I failed. I must not recognize the explanation.

(I'm still trying to play catch up from being gone, haha!)

Anonymous
06-21-2004, 09:06 PM
It made me angry and I had to say something. It wasnt a good enough explanation for me. I think Jenn deserves a half a page of explanation, not just two sentences.

Girlie
06-21-2004, 09:07 PM
I don't think jenfrog has a disability....
I think she types fast and probably doesn't check over what she typed.

Also my post which you quoted G. was in response to Mally's post.

Well this is an explanation.

I see what you're saying Rhiannon, but I have failed to see where anyone admitted they made a "mistake" .... I just read it all and think it was meant cruely and intended to ridicule.

Maybe I'm wrong. I've been out of the flow for a few days ... trying to get back into it .... hahaha ...

Rhiannon
06-21-2004, 09:12 PM
I agree it wasn't very nice. But what I was trying to say is, several called her on it. Ok she knows now we think it was wrong. And hopefully won't do it again. Can we stop replaying the post?

Girlie
06-21-2004, 09:15 PM
oh Rhiannon, are you suuuuuuuuure you don't want me to copy it?

juuuuuuuuuust kidding

BigGunz
06-21-2004, 09:19 PM
Ok....I had my say...so I can let sleeping dogs lie.

Miss Mally
06-21-2004, 09:32 PM
Rhia...I see your tenderheartedness coming through here....and commend it.

But I think...when someone posts something on a message board with lots of other people posting....they may very well get bombarded with a comment from several if not all posters.

I am not sure I see it as bullying just because several people gave their opinion on that particular post. Gd and I got our say...who am I to deny the rest of the bunch. Also...sometimes it means more to the poster when they see that it isn't just one prude...or one stick in the mud that views this as pure meaness....it is is a varity of people with differing values...who have all come together and stood against cruelty.

krispy
06-22-2004, 09:23 AM
I'm sorry Jen!

I really did take it a bit too far, and I apologize.
Your Optomistic attitude and not letting me get to you really tells me that you are a genuine person, and I respect you for that.

To everyone else:

I also apologize for offending everyone else. You were all right in what you said about me.

To Rhiannon:

Thanks for taking up for me, even though I was being a complete bully...


To Biggunz:

I'm glad you like my tagline. :)

Ok....I hope you will all forgive me and look past this one. But I understand if you don't. I don't deserve it.

Miss Mally
06-22-2004, 09:28 AM
I'm sorry Jen!

I really did take it a bit too far, and I apologize.
Your Optomistic attitude and not letting me get to you really tells me that you are a genuine person, and I respect you for that.

To everyone else:

I also apologize for offending everyone else. You were all right in what you said about me.

To Rhiannon:

Thanks for taking up for me, even though I was being a complete bully...


To Biggunz:

I'm glad you like my tagline. :)

Ok....I hope you will all forgive me and look past this one. But I understand if you don't. I don't deserve it.

You are forgiven. It is over and done with now. :)
I hope you have a great day....now lets get down to some serious posting!!!!!!

PS. I respect your ability to admit wrong and to publicly apologize. You are a stronger person than I had given you credit for. Kuddos to you.

Anonymous
06-22-2004, 10:34 AM
I'm sorry Jen!

I really did take it a bit too far, and I apologize.
Your Optomistic attitude and not letting me get to you really tells me that you are a genuine person, and I respect you for that.

To everyone else:

I also apologize for offending everyone else. You were all right in what you said about me.

To Rhiannon:

Thanks for taking up for me, even though I was being a complete bully...


To Biggunz:

I'm glad you like my tagline. :)

Ok....I hope you will all forgive me and look past this one. But I understand if you don't. I don't deserve it. That's the way to do it Krisp... That is all we wanted. You, of course, are forgiven as Mally said. With such kind words, how could we not. :D

Anonymous
06-22-2004, 10:35 AM
I'm sorry Jen!

I really did take it a bit too far, and I apologize.
Your Optomistic attitude and not letting me get to you really tells me that you are a genuine person, and I respect you for that.

To everyone else:

I also apologize for offending everyone else. You were all right in what you said about me.

To Rhiannon:

Thanks for taking up for me, even though I was being a complete bully...


To Biggunz:

I'm glad you like my tagline. :)

Ok....I hope you will all forgive me and look past this one. But I understand if you don't. I don't deserve it.

You are forgiven. It is over and done with now. :)
I hope you have a great day....now lets get down to some serious posting!!!!!!

PS. I respect your ability to admit wrong and to publicly apologize. You are a stronger person than I had given you credit for. Kuddos to you.
Uh Oh, Mally is getting ready for a posting ti-raid. Everybody better brace themselves.

Miss Mally
06-22-2004, 10:38 AM
hahahahahahahahahahaha

Gearldean
06-22-2004, 12:00 PM
I'm sorry Jen!...Ok....I hope you will all forgive me and look past this one. But I understand if you don't. I don't deserve it.
To admit a mistake and ask forgiveness is deserving and to forgive is divine!

krispy
06-22-2004, 12:12 PM
Thanks guys!

BigGunz
06-22-2004, 02:12 PM
I'm sorry Jen!

I really did take it a bit too far, and I apologize.
Your Optomistic attitude and not letting me get to you really tells me that you are a genuine person, and I respect you for that.

To everyone else:

I also apologize for offending everyone else. You were all right in what you said about me.

To Rhiannon:

Thanks for taking up for me, even though I was being a complete bully...


To Biggunz:

I'm glad you like my tagline. :)

Ok....I hope you will all forgive me and look past this one. But I understand if you don't. I don't deserve it.

Awwww thats so sweet...and I apologize also...now shut up and post ....j/k.....lol

ive_lost_my_knives_in_you
06-22-2004, 02:28 PM
i dont think krispy needed to apologize i mean she didnt really say anything that meen just that she needed to use better grammar and thats cool im just as guilty as anyone on the grammar part but im understandable and it is bullying to attack someon in a bunch for just making an oppinion i dont think she was in the wrong go krispy
i also dont think anyone should have to apologize for anything they say unless it effects someones personal life on here cause all oppinions should be respected and krispy isnt the one that made a big deal about it all of you did your the ones that constantly brought it up not her even jen didnt defend herself you all did it for her so i dont think the apology was necasarry

ive_lost_my_knives_in_you
06-22-2004, 02:30 PM
and since when did anyone on here become christ
i dont think we need to seek forgivness from anyone on this board
and since when is it a sin to be oppinionated

Anonymous
06-22-2004, 02:32 PM
Personally, I don't feel that so many people should have been jumping down Krispy's back. Sure, it's a forum and all, but was there really any call in all the criticism. I think Krispy has a point in a way. I'm not ragging on Jen, but if you're going to type a post, you ought to put a little time into what you are writing. I find that the best posts are those which are thought provoking and well thought out, not just a couple of lines of nonsense every other post. There is a reason why the post counts are so high on here, and it's from two word posts. And many of us have had to weed through useless information in order to get back to the real conversations at hand. If you're gonna type, then take your time so that all of us can understand what the hell you're saying.

I don't bow to anyone on the net, and I wouldn't give an apology to anyone I didn't think deserved it. If you feel right in what you're saying, then by all means, express yourself. Everyone else on here damn sure puts their two cents in whenever they feel like it. Since when are some of us entitled to an opinion, and others are not?

jenfrog81
06-22-2004, 02:34 PM
i dont think krispy needed to apologize i mean she didnt really say anything that meen just that she needed to use better grammar and thats cool im just as guilty as anyone on the grammar part but im understandable and it is bullying to attack someon in a bunch for just making an oppinion i dont think she was in the wrong go krispy
i also dont think anyone should have to apologize for anything they say unless it effects someones personal life on here cause all oppinions should be respected and krispy isnt the one that made a big deal about it all of you did your the ones that constantly brought it up not her even jen didnt defend herself you all did it for her so i dont think the apology was necasarryWhat a MIN I did Defend myself you need to go back and read it all . If someone is going to tell me I have BAD GRAMMAR skills I think they should have PM and told me . I mean I don't walk up to you in Wal_mart and yell out YOU SPELL BAD AND YOUR GRAMMAR SKILLS ARE BAD PLUS YOU MAKE NO SENSE EITHER . I MEAN COME ON HERE . That would Embarrass You right ???


anyways the Subject is over with so Lets us all DROP IT

jenfrog81
06-22-2004, 02:35 PM
Oh yea . Thanks everyone for standing up for me . :lol:

Anonymous
06-22-2004, 02:39 PM
This is a forum right? And this is an open topic right? What's any different about arguing on this thread than any other? I don't remember there being an code or rules on this forum that decide when the debate has ended.

ive_lost_my_knives_in_you
06-22-2004, 02:40 PM
no lets not drop it this is not a dropable subject
i dont think you quite understand my point everyone else can say what they want to about anything else but when someone says something that someone doesnt like their the bad guy
yes you can understand me i just dont use punctuation but i make it legable
im not trying to be meen to you just dont think krispy owes anyone an apology if she did then this bored would be filled with nothing but apologies because everyone offends someone all the time and if we all had to apologize then this would be a pointless web site

Gearldean
06-22-2004, 02:41 PM
and since when did anyone on here become christ
i dont think we need to seek forgivness from anyone on this board
and since when is it a sin to be oppinionated
There's a big difference in being opinionated and being cruel.

Nobody on here passed themselves off as Christ. We stated our opinion of what Krispy had to say. She is the one who chose to ask for forgiveness. Since when do you have to be Christ to post an opinion on a public forum?

jenfrog81
06-22-2004, 02:42 PM
***** I 'm droping this subject *******It's getting old ...

jenfrog81
06-22-2004, 02:44 PM
and since when did anyone on here become christ
i dont think we need to seek forgivness from anyone on this board
and since when is it a sin to be oppinionated
There's a big difference in being opinionated and being cruel.

Nobody on here passed themselves off as Christ. We stated our opinion of what Krispy had to say. She is the one who chose to ask for forgiveness. Since when do you have to be Christ to post an opinion on a public forum? Yes you are right . She said sorry . When someone say sorry that's when you so okay and its never spoke again . YOu are right Gearldean .

BigGunz
06-22-2004, 02:44 PM
well well well...i dont bow down to anyone here and i dont think I ever saw anyone proclaim to be Christ either....and yes everyone is entitled to their own opinion on matters...BUT when anyone and I mean anyone critiques ones grammar or typing skills thst just in bad taste and really bad forum etiquette (sp). If some one had a problem with these things they should have just basically kept it to themselves instead of airing it out in open forum...evryone makes mistakes and not everyone is perfect in what they say and do. And when a newbie comes along and uses tatics that were used I think more than a few will defend them...just like they would you or I...but the point is Krispy did see what the fault was and is commended for doing so....maybe it wasnt necessary to do so and eventually it would have all just washed out to begin with...but Krispy did go beyond what they had to do and should be recognized as such. I had respect for krispy to begin with...now I have more respect. And as far as the number of post goes and getting your numbers?....who really gives a rats butt anyways?....One line two line a hundred lines....it shows that you are reading and paying attention and sometimes a simple LOL...really does explain how you feel....this is entertainment...if you feel you cant be entertained in this fashion...sorry about your bad luck!

jenfrog81
06-22-2004, 02:47 PM
(LOL) READING MAKES YOU SMARTER * LOLLOL..*** :lol:

Gearldean
06-22-2004, 02:52 PM
no lets not drop it this is not a dropable subject
i dont think you quite understand my point everyone else can say what they want to about anything else but when someone says something that someone doesnt like their the bad guy
yes you can understand me i just dont use punctuation but i make it legable
im not trying to be meen to you just dont think krispy owes anyone an apology if she did then this bored would be filled with nothing but apologies because everyone offends someone all the time and if we all had to apologize then this would be a pointless web site
I understand very well what you're saying and I do NOT agree with it! Judging from your comments regarding what others have posted, I'm assuming that you think cruelty is okay. Well, I DON'T!

There's a difference in "offending" someone and ridiculing them, too! It's not okay and it should not take a "rule" to let folks know it's not okay! Common sense should tell you that!

Miss Mally
06-22-2004, 02:52 PM
This is a forum right? And this is an open topic right? What's any different about arguing on this thread than any other? I don't remember there being an code or rules on this forum that decide when the debate has ended.

We are have been told by Julie not to attack the poster.

Besides that...Krispy did apologize and that apology was excepted by all. Sometimes...people don't have to just apologize when they "hurt" someone. I have done things that hurt no one in some deep life changing way...or even enough to make them feel badly....but what I did was still wrong or mean...and so an apology was need. Krispy did the right thing...and it was big of her to do so. Don't try to take that away from her.

Gearldean
06-22-2004, 03:00 PM
***** I 'm droping this subject *******It's getting old ...
Yes, it is getting old. This has ceased to be about you, Jen. It's more about what constituted cruelty and what the majority of folks posting to this forum will tolerate. We don't like cruelty and I don't think we should be forced to tolerate it.

This thread had pretty well worn itself out till Knives chose to revive it. Makes me wonder just why he chose to do so.

jenfrog81
06-22-2004, 03:05 PM
I thought it was rude but Like I said I forgive her No BIG DEAL .

Anonymous
06-23-2004, 08:26 AM
Nobody on here passed themselves off as Christ. We stated our opinion of what Krispy had to say. She is the one who chose to ask for forgiveness.

Hmm... Yes, she did apologize, but it wasn't her "choice." It was only after everyone jumped down her throat. Go back and read all the posts and tell me you guys didn't all jump her at once. At one point, at least 6 or 7 posts were made before Krispy even posted to defend herself. All I'm saying is she wouldn't have apologized but you guys "demanded" that she apologized. And don't tell me you didn't.

Gearldean
06-23-2004, 08:38 AM
Hmm... Yes, she did apologize, but it wasn't her "choice." It was only after everyone jumped down her throat. Go back and read all the posts and tell me you guys didn't all jump her at once. At one point, at least 6 or 7 posts were made before Krispy even posted to defend herself. All I'm saying is she wouldn't have apologized but you guys "demanded" that she apologized. And don't tell me you didn't.
Yes, she did have a choice regardless of whether or not you agree. We ALL have choices in what we do or say.

It seems odd to me that you would criticize and whine because we stood against something that was wrong. I've heard you whine and complain publicly about something that occurred in your private life so just what is your problem? It's my opinion that you just like pity parties.

BTW, an apology was not the objective of my posts regarding this matter. I was actually letting her know I expected better behavior from her in the future.

Rhiannon
06-23-2004, 08:44 AM
I'm sorry Jen!

I really did take it a bit too far, and I apologize.
Your Optomistic attitude and not letting me get to you really tells me that you are a genuine person, and I respect you for that.

To everyone else:

I also apologize for offending everyone else. You were all right in what you said about me.

To Rhiannon:

Thanks for taking up for me, even though I was being a complete bully...
To Biggunz:

I'm glad you like my tagline. :)

Ok....I hope you will all forgive me and look past this one. But I understand if you don't. I don't deserve it.

It seemed sincere to me, even if it was forced DAS.

krispy
06-23-2004, 08:53 AM
Wow I'm amazed that this topic is still at the top of the thread. I thought by apologizing I would be ending the whole fiasco that I started in the first place. I didn't have to apologize, I could have kept goin with the smart-butt comments, but I DECIDED to apologize because I knew what I did was wrong.

Miss Mally
06-23-2004, 09:11 AM
Wow I'm amazed that this topic is still at the top of the thread. I thought by apologizing I would be ending the whole fiasco that I started in the first place. I didn't have to apologize, I could have kept goin with the smart-butt comments, but I DECIDED to apologize because I knew what I did was wrong.

Wow....Good for you. Like I said....you are a bigger person than I gave you credit for. And to stand strong on your apology, showing it was heartfelt....is even more commendable. You have earned my respect...and I am more than proud you have decided to join in our debates and discussions here. (we all make mistakes....only honorable people can admit to them though)

krispy
06-23-2004, 09:54 AM
Thanks Mally.

Pond
06-23-2004, 10:14 AM
Would it help if I said that I thought that "everyone" was right ?? :lol:

Miss Mally
06-23-2004, 10:30 AM
Would it help if I said that I thought that "everyone" was right ?? :lol:

Probably not
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ive_lost_my_knives_in_you
06-23-2004, 01:19 PM
apologize should not be forced
if you offend me i accept the offense
and try to reason
not force
shes right if we cant laugh at ourselves
we shouldnt be aloud to laugh at all
some of my best jokes are the ones where i make fun of myself
i just dont think ganging up on someone to make the beg for forgivness is right and that she shouldnt be thought of any lower if she hadnt asked for forgivness wich she would have you all kind of made that implamation and i just know how yous guys are
i just want you to know that if i offend something that you have written on here whether its grammar or whatever i wont be looking for forgivness and i dont bring personal stuff in here anyway so you dont have to worry about that but im not i shouldnt have to ask for your forgivness
especially when i respect your oppinons too
you can respect mine

jenfrog81
06-23-2004, 01:21 PM
WE GET WILD ,., WILD WILD COME ON FEEL THE NOISE WE GET WILD WILD WILD .. OHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAAAAA ... LOL GIRLS ROCK YOUR BOYS .......

Miss Mally
06-23-2004, 01:39 PM
apologize should not be forced
if you offend me i accept the offense
and try to reason
not force
shes right if we cant laugh at ourselves
we shouldnt be aloud to laugh at all
some of my best jokes are the ones where i make fun of myself
i just dont think ganging up on someone to make the beg for forgivness is right and that she shouldnt be thought of any lower if she hadnt asked for forgivness wich she would have you all kind of made that implamation and i just know how yous guys are
i just want you to know that if i offend something that you have written on here whether its grammar or whatever i wont be looking for forgivness and i dont bring personal stuff in here anyway so you dont have to worry about that but im not i shouldnt have to ask for your forgivness
especially when i respect your oppinons too
you can respect mine


lol knives....who ever said I respected your opinions? j/k

I see the rebel coming out in you....seems to me...you would have more of a problem admitting you were wrong...or apologizing or what ever....if a bunch of people told you you should. You have more of the personality type where you need to come around to seeing for yourself that what ever it was might be harmful. We all have different personality types and we all take things a bit differently. Krispy comported herself well in this situation. She has the unique ability to back off of a situation and look at it from another angle...or from someone elses point of view...and then make a desision one way or the other. I am not saying she is always going to see the others point of view...but she did take the time to at least look. On this particular situation...she was also able to publicly admit...that after reflection...she felt that what she did was wrong. That takes a lot of courage. I have seen many come and go on this forum....sometimes because they didn't have the courage to stand up for themselves or what they believed....but just as often...because they didn't have the courage to admit on here they were wrong.

I will tell you Knives...I do rarely respect opinions....I reserve my respect for people. People are so much more important than the opinions. Krispy is one that has earned that respect. I don't view Krispy as folding under pressure...but as someone with a basic goodness in her heart...and her heart was pricked....then she showed the courage of her heart. That is always to be commended.

jenfrog81
06-23-2004, 01:46 PM
apologize should not be forced
if you offend me i accept the offense
and try to reason
not force
shes right if we cant laugh at ourselves
we shouldnt be aloud to laugh at all
some of my best jokes are the ones where i make fun of myself
i just dont think ganging up on someone to make the beg for forgivness is right and that she shouldnt be thought of any lower if she hadnt asked for forgivness wich she would have you all kind of made that implamation and i just know how yous guys are
i just want you to know that if i offend something that you have written on here whether its grammar or whatever i wont be looking for forgivness and i dont bring personal stuff in here anyway so you dont have to worry about that but im not i shouldnt have to ask for your forgivness
especially when i respect your oppinons too
you can respect mine


lol knives....who ever said I respected your opinions? j/k

I see the rebel coming out in you....seems to me...you would have more of a problem admitting you were wrong...or apologizing or what ever....if a bunch of people told you you should. You have more of the personality type where you need to come around to seeing for yourself that what ever it was might be harmful. We all have different personality types and we all take things a bit differently. Krispy comported herself well in this situation. She has the unique ability to back off of a situation and look at it from another angle...or from someone elses point of view...and then make a desision one way or the other. I am not saying she is always going to see the others point of view...but she did take the time to at least look. On this particular situation...she was also able to publicly admit...that after reflection...she felt that what she did was wrong. That takes a lot of courage. I have seen many come and go on this forum....sometimes because they didn't have the courage to stand up for themselves or what they believed....but just as often...because they didn't have the courage to admit on here they were wrong.

I will tell you Knives...I do rarely respect opinions....I reserve my respect for people. People are so much more important than the opinions. Krispy is one that has earned that respect. I don't view Krispy as folding under pressure...but as someone with a basic goodness in her heart...and her heart was pricked....then she showed the courage of her heart. That is always to be commended.




Lost this had nothing to do with you . So why are you actting like this . The subjest was drop so drop it . Please ,

ive_lost_my_knives_in_you
06-23-2004, 02:11 PM
perhaps she just gave up on her oppinons because everyone told her she was wrong
i dont think she was wrong continue to feel as you wish krispy i will respect your oppinions
i may not like all of them but i respect them even the one to apologize i still dont agree with it but i respect it

respect means alot to me i have a lot of respect for people that dont care about me i still respect them cause i want their respect i have done good at respecting everyone on this board but i dont expect to gain all of your respect cause i think for myself and most people dont like that

Miss Mally
06-23-2004, 02:19 PM
A mature person does not mind correction...for they think not of the immediate moment of self that is receiving the correction...but of the long term person they strive to become...who will benifit from the correction.

BigGunz
06-23-2004, 03:57 PM
Nobody on here passed themselves off as Christ. We stated our opinion of what Krispy had to say. She is the one who chose to ask for forgiveness.

Hmm... Yes, she did apologize, but it wasn't her "choice." It was only after everyone jumped down her throat. Go back and read all the posts and tell me you guys didn't all jump her at once. At one point, at least 6 or 7 posts were made before Krispy even posted to defend herself. All I'm saying is she wouldn't have apologized but you guys "demanded" that she apologized. And don't tell me you didn't.

Ok im going against the grain with you on this one...cuz Im telling you right now I DID NOT DEMAND AN APOLOGY!...dont ever tell challenge me to something I know I didnt do! besides peole saw the post and responded accordingly what did ya think everyone should have waited in line?...geeze man get a grip..people respond to post...so what if it was seven in a row...like we know when and at what time someone will be online?....Krispy apologized even though technically Krispy didnt have to...Krispy has gained respect. Dont ever ever tell me I demand anyone to do anything...get your facts straight before you pop off!

Miss Mally
06-23-2004, 05:19 PM
I look at Big...and his teeth were showing.

Rhiannon
06-23-2004, 05:24 PM
I look at Big...and his teeth were showing.

Yep.

Pond
06-23-2004, 06:35 PM
You demand ...I ain`t going to do it ...period !