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    A letter to President Obama from a 95 year old Hawaii US Navy veteran.


    Dear President Obama,

    My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don't believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert. I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor, allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.

    One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

    So here goes.



    I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

    I can't figure out what country you are the president of.

    You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:
    " We're no longer a Christian nation"
    " America is arrogant" - (Your wife even announced to the world,"America is mean-spirited.
    " Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.)

    I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

    After 9/11 you said," America hasn't lived up to her ideals."Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

    I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

    Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man. Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don't, I'll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue. You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

    And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don't want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts, who was putting up a fight? You don't mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.
    One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you're the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you're not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you're thinking of.

    You're not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That's not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.And I sure as hell don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle.

    Sincerely,

    Harold B. Estes
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    Thank you Harold B. Estes!

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    That is one of the best letters I have read . Now what can be done to make certain that President Obama sees it.

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    I suspect that Big Brother has already seen it.
    Walk softly and carry a big stick.

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    and yet even though obama is doing all this, people are still blindly following the fool...
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    Obama Doesn't Use 'God' in Thanksgiving Proclamation

    Date: 11/30/2009 8:59:31 AM

    by Bryan Fischer, AFA Director of Issues Analysis
    President Obama issued a proclamation for the Thanksgiving holidaywithout once himself mentioning the God who is to be thanked on this day.

    He did manage to include a quote from George Washington that mentions God, but the president's own words were mostly devoted to thanking Indians for the beginning of this uniquely American holiday and did so with nary a mention of the Divine Providence that sustained our pilgrim forefathers. Good grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visionary View Post
    Obama Doesn't Use 'God' in Thanksgiving Proclamation

    He did manage to include a quote from George Washington that mentions God, but the president's own words were mostly devoted to thanking Indians for the beginning of this uniquely American holiday and did so with nary a mention of the Divine Providence that sustained our pilgrim forefathers. Good grief.
    I have no problem with that. Particularly since Thanksgiving is a celebration of capitalism over communism. Nothing to do with religion at all.

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    The real meaning of Thanksgiving

    Posted: November 22, 2001
    1:00 am Eastern



    By Joseph Farah
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily.com



    There are many myths and misconceptions surrounding the people responsible for the American Thanksgiving tradition. Contrary to popular opinion, the Pilgrims didn't wear buckles on their shoes or hats. They weren't teetotalers, either. They smoked tobacco and drank beer. And, most importantly, their first harvest festival and subsequent "thanksgivings" weren't held to thank the local natives for saving their lives.
    Do you know there are public schools in America today actually teaching that? Some textbooks, in their discomfort with open discussions of Christianity, say as much. I dare suggest most parents today know little more about this history than their children.
    Yet, there is no way to divorce the spiritual from the celebration of Thanksgiving – at least not the way the Pilgrims envisioned it, a tradition dating back to the ancient Hebrews and their feasts of Succoth and Passover.
    The Pilgrims came to America for one reason – to form a separate community in which they could worship God as they saw fit. They had fled England because King James I was persecuting those who did not recognize the Church of England's absolute civil and spiritual authority.
    On the two-month journey of 1620, William Bradford and the other elders wrote an extraordinary charter – the Mayflower Compact. Why was it extraordinary? Because it established just and equal laws for all members of their new community – believers and non-believers alike. Where did they get such revolutionary ideas? From the Bible, of course.
    When the Pilgrims landed in the New World, they found a cold, rocky, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet them, Bradford wrote. No houses to shelter them. No inns where they could refresh themselves. During the first winter, half the Pilgrims died of sickness or exposure – including Bradford's wife. Though life improved for the Pilgrims when spring came, they did not really prosper. Why? Once again, the textbooks don't tell the story, but Bradford's own journal does. The reason they didn't succeed initially is because they were practicing an early form of socialism.
    The original contract the Pilgrims had with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store. Each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community. Bradford, as governor, recognized the inherent problem with this collectivist system.
    "The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years ... that by taking away property, and bringing community into common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing – as if they were wiser than God," Bradford wrote. "For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense ... that was thought injustice."
    What a surprise! Even back then people did not want to work without incentive. Bradford decided to assign a plot of land to each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of free enterprise. What was the result?
    "This had very good success," wrote Bradford, "for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been."
    As a result, the Pilgrims soon found they had more food than they could eat themselves. They set up trading posts and exchanged goods with the Indians. The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to the merchants in London much faster than expected. The success of the Plymouth colony thus attracted more Europeans and set off what we call the "Great Puritan Migration."
    But it wasn't just an economic system that allowed the Pilgrims to prosper. It was their devotion to God and His laws. And that's what Thanksgiving is really all about. The Pilgrims recognized that everything we have is a gift from God – even our sorrows. Their Thanksgiving tradition was established to honor God and thank Him for His blessings and His grace.
    Today we continue that tradition in my home – and I hope in yours. God bless you, God bless America, and Happy Thanksgiving.

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    Christians - you guys are a hoot.

    The Puritanical foundations of Plymouth were an abject failure. Bradford was a non-conformist in England and was run out of his home town because he wouldn't toe the church of England line. He tried to keep the colony together based on his pretty strange religious views, but the Puritans(hence the name) were having none of it. Albeit they were happy enough to have the fruit of their own labor finally count for something.

    All the overblown BS about Thanksgiving being about religion is once again the product of religion following the gainsay by industrious people succeeding. If the colony had failed, surely it would have been traced to lack of religious dogma.

    The last para is thrown in as a sop by a guilty believer who doesn't want to give credit where credit is due - hard work, industry, and commerce not faith.

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    Yes, I am a Christian and I have been told that I am a hoot to be around....alot of fun. Just because your a Christian doesn't mean you can't be fun! I also give thanks to my Lord for all my bounty....even if some say I have very little. You have the right to believe however you wish. We fought for it.

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    [QUOTE=docmirror;430878]A letter to President Obama from a 95 year old Hawaii US Navy veteran.



    I can't figure out what country you are the president of.

    You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:
    " We're no longer a Christian nation"
    " America is arrogant" - (Your wife even announced to the world,"America is mean-spirited.
    " Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.)


    "Docmirror" you are the one that posted the letter from Mr. Estes and I was responding to part of the letter about the President claiming we are no longer a christian nation....

    I believe Thankgiving is a time we say thanks to our Father who is in heaven for our bounty. It will always be a religious holiday for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmirror View Post
    Christians - you guys are a hoot.

    The Puritanical foundations of Plymouth were an abject failure. Bradford was a non-conformist in England and was run out of his home town because he wouldn't toe the church of England line. He tried to keep the colony together based on his pretty strange religious views, but the Puritans(hence the name) were having none of it. Albeit they were happy enough to have the fruit of their own labor finally count for something.

    All the overblown BS about Thanksgiving being about religion is once again the product of religion following the gainsay by industrious people succeeding. If the colony had failed, surely it would have been traced to lack of religious dogma.

    The last para is thrown in as a sop by a guilty believer who doesn't want to give credit where credit is due - hard work, industry, and commerce not faith.
    Oh we always give credit where credit is due and so does the Bible my friend.

    The Bible is clear that, because the Lord ordained work for man, laziness is sin. “Go to the ant, you sluggard! Consider her ways and be wise” (Proverbs 6:6).

    The Bible has a great deal to say about laziness and hardwork. Proverbs is especially filled with wisdom concerning laziness and warnings to the lazy person. Proverbs tells us that a lazy person hates work: “The sluggard's craving will be the death of him, because his hands refuse to work” (21:25); he loves sleep: “As a door turns on its hinges, so a sluggard turns on his bed” (26:14); he gives excuses: “The sluggard says, ‘There is a lion in the road, a fierce lion roaming the streets’” (26:13); he wastes time and energy: “He who is slothful in his work is a brother to him who is a great waster” (18:9 KJV); he believes he is wise, but is a fool: “The sluggard is wiser in his own eyes than seven men who answer discreetly” (26:16).

    Proverbs also tells us the end in store for the lazy: A lazy person becomes a servant (or debtor): “Diligent hands will rule, but laziness ends in slave labor” (12:24); his future is bleak: “A sluggard does not plow in season; so at harvest time he looks but finds nothing” (20:4); he may come to poverty: “The soul of the lazy man desires and has nothing; but the soul of the diligent shall be made rich” (13:4 KJV).

    Our government working to turn us to socialist so the lazy people who want to lay around and not work to get free handouts from the government is turning our country into a debtor nation and if we are not careful we will no longer rule ourselves.....we will be owned and ruled by a dictator.

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    FYI, this is a letter that Mr. Estes dictated to a secretary and signed personally according to "Fore 'n Aft" magazine. Sounds like this is the real deal! Check out the following link to Snopes for more of the story if you wish.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/haroldestes.asp

    I think his letter is GREAT!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebecca View Post
    FYI, this is a letter that Mr. Estes dictated to a secretary and signed personally according to "Fore 'n Aft" magazine. Sounds like this is the real deal! Check out the following link to Snopes for more of the story if you wish.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/haroldestes.asp

    I think his letter is GREAT!!!!
    Did you think I would prevaricate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebecca View Post
    FYI, this is a letter that Mr. Estes dictated to a secretary and signed personally according to "Fore 'n Aft" magazine. Sounds like this is the real deal! Check out the following link to Snopes for more of the story if you wish.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/haroldestes.asp

    I think his letter is GREAT!!!!
    Though the letter was written by Mr. Estes, there are some things that are not exactly correct...
    While it is Mr. Estes' right as an American to upbraid his President, it bears pointing out that in this case he has done so largely on the basis of misquotes.

    Let's take a closer look at Obama's so-called "despicable lies



    Despicable Lie #1: "We're no longer a Christian nation."

    Sure enough, Obama said exactly those words in 2006 at Sojourners magazine's "Call to Renewal" conference in Washington, D.C. But that wasn't how the sentence ended.

    Here's the full quote, in context:

    Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation — at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.
    The awkward phrase, "at least, not just," was a verbal flub. As written, the passage was supposed to go:

    "Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

    Sources:
    • Call to Renewal Keynote Address (as Written). BarackObama.com.
    • Call to Renewal Keynote Address (as Delivered). YouTube.com.



    Despicable Lie #2: "America is arrogant."

    This was apparently paraphrased, out of context, from a speech Obama delivered to European students in Strasbourg, France on April 4, 2009:

    It's always harder to forge true partnerships and sturdy alliances than to act alone, or to wait for the action of somebody else. It's more difficult to break down walls of division than to simply allow our differences to build and our resentments to fester. So we must be honest with ourselves. In recent years we've allowed our Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.
    But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what's bad.

    On both sides of the Atlantic, these attitudes have become all too common. They are not wise. They do not represent the truth. They threaten to widen the divide across the Atlantic and leave us both more isolated. They fail to acknowledge the fundamental truth that America cannot confront the challenges of this century alone, but that Europe cannot confront them without America.

    Despicable Lie #3: "America hasn't lived up to her ideals."

    This was apparently paraphrased, out of context, from Barack Obama's speech at Cairo University in Egypt, June 4, 2009:

    And finally, just as America can never tolerate violence by extremists, we must never alter our principles. 9/11 was an enormous trauma to our country. The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our ideals. We are taking concrete actions to change course. I have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, and I have ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed by early next year.
    So America will defend itself respectful of the sovereignty of nations and the rule of law. And we will do so in partnership with Muslim communities which are also threatened. The sooner the extremists are isolated and unwelcome in Muslim communities, the sooner we will all be safer.

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/bar...ld_estes_2.htm


    We can take any words & make them the way we want. Also, though I know this was written by Mr. Estes--a similar letter with the same misquotes were written by Pat Boone--hummm
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    we need to pass a new law that you need at least 3 years of militery service before
    you can run for office for president of the united states.

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    It wouldn't hurt if the leader of our great nation and military had some experience, that is for sure.

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    Who would you suggest?
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    I'm not suggesting anyone....I just agree that it wouldn't hurt for all of our Presidents to have some military training or experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visionary View Post
    It wouldn't hurt if the leader of our great nation and military had some experience, that is for sure.
    Community Orginizer!! DUH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Community Orginizer!! DUH!
    I didn't think he was all that great at being a "Community Organizer"... he has proved that he is good at being a money snatcher and spender!

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmirror View Post
    Did you think I would prevaricate?
    No, I didn't think that you would lie. However, I get e-mails all of the time that don't include any kind of verification. I don't accept things as fact until I check them out and I figure that I'm not alone in that practice. I was just trying to be nice by posting the Snopes report for those who might question the validity of your post.

    No need to wag your finger at me. You are the one who posted something without providing verification or stating up front that you hadn't verified it. You should thank me for helping you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebecca View Post

    No need to wag your finger at me. You are the one who posted something without providing verification or stating up front that you hadn't verified it. You should thank me for helping you out.
    Thanks?

    Look, brainfart - this isn't a TX court of law, this is a web forum. You don't like or believe what you read, move on. If you think I should, or need to 'verify' something for you or anyone else that I post on a web board more than a cursory review of what appears to be from a reliable source you are delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmirror View Post
    Thanks?

    Look, brainfart - this isn't a TX court of law, this is a web forum. You don't like or believe what you read, move on. If you think I should, or need to 'verify' something for you or anyone else that I post on a web board more than a cursory review of what appears to be from a reliable source you are delusional.
    Okay, you called me "brainfart" so I should probably call you a derogatory name too, right? Ah, I don't think I'll do that. I'm going to continue to be nice here.

    I think you've completely missed the point here. I never slammed your initial post. I AGREED with Mr. Estes' letter once I read your post but I felt the need to check out the veracity of his letter. There is nothing wrong with that and I'd think that you would agree with that unless you're one who thinks that people should just follow anything without thinking for themselves.

    Now tell me this. How were we to know that your post came from a "reliable source"? You didn't cite a source and that's okay but it seems that you feel that since you feel that your source is reliable, we're supposed to feel the same way. You seem to be an intelligent person so I can't believe that you actually agree with that assertion. I stepped in and provided some verification for others because I wanted to. And no, there is no requirement by the Eastland Spin that anyone cite verification of anything they post. I've been a poster here since day one and I do know the rules.

    Before you call me another name and try again to start a fight with me, can you please look again at what I've said and try to realize that I'm not posting against you? I support what Mr. Estes has said and I'm glad that you started this thread. I was just trying to help further the cause here by providing verification.

    And by the way. The last sentence of my previous post was in jest. "No need to wag your finger at me. You are the one who posted something without providing verification or stating up front that you hadn't verified it. You should thank me for helping you out. " I was trying to kid with you and I thought that the smiley would convey that. I'm sorry for my lack of success with that.

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