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    Stealing

    "The District Attorney's Office seized both Coppola's vehicles. These cars could potentially turn up in Lubbock Police car auctions."

    http://www.everythinglubbock.com/story/d/story/local-professor-arrested-after-high-speed-chase-mo/11005/9Bxd88T2Tkqt1kRcH5TPvA

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    One officer involved in the struggle said, "I continued to punch Martin in the face with a closed fist to gain compliance as I feared he had another weapon he was holding underneath him. I punched Martin approximately 15 times until he complied and officers on scene were finally able to get his hands from underneath him."

    http://www.kcbd.com/story/26500657/arrest-report-describes-violent-struggle-with-chase-suspect

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    If his fear was reasonable, then the punching is reasonable, no?

    A more comprehensive excerpt from the article says:
    Police say Coppola then got out of the truck and led police on a short chase on foot.
    Police say Coppola reached to the right side of his body during the chase and they saw a black pistol in his hand as they attempted to taze him for the first time.
    Police say Coppola was wearing a holster and a cartridge belt with a military bayonet.
    Police brought Coppola to the ground and took his pistol, but Coppola had put his hand to his chest under his body and police could not tell if he was reaching for another weapon.
    Police say Coppola was "refusing to listen or cooperate to any of the officers commands to him."
    One officer involved in the struggle said, "I continued to punch Martin in the face with a closed fist to gain compliance as I feared he had another weapon he was holding underneath him. I punched Martin approximately 15 times until he complied and officers on scene were finally able to get his hands from underneath him."

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    Yes Cecil, but an old drunk college professor? If the officer couldn't handle this guy without beating him so bad as to be hospitalized, then he needs a new line of work.
    Think how lucky he is, they just blow them away back here in Taylor County.
    Another crying shame:

    http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/st...WEiOrBV0MjyWuA

    What would I do? Wait him out, wear him down. Yes stray bullets going everywhere, everyone was down anyway, he was sure to run out soon. Get another job if you don't like dodging bullets, it goes with the territory.
    Haste makes waste. There are just too many police shootings in the news lately.
    Many of them can't be avoided like Ferguson MO, but the little things that preceded them are what wore the residents patience thin. People keep a running tab going in their minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    Yes Cecil, but an old drunk college professor? If the officer couldn't handle this guy without beating him so bad as to be hospitalized, then he needs a new line of work.
    Think how lucky he is, they just blow them away back here in Taylor County.
    Another crying shame:

    http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/st...WEiOrBV0MjyWuA

    What would I do? Wait him out, wear him down. Yes stray bullets going everywhere, everyone was down anyway, he was sure to run out soon. Get another job if you don't like dodging bullets, it goes with the territory.
    Haste makes waste. There are just too many police shootings in the news lately.
    Many of them can't be avoided like Ferguson MO, but the little things that preceded them are what wore the residents patience thin. People keep a running tab going in their minds.
    I was with you when the topic was Lubbock police confiscating the drunk progressive's cars, presumably never to return them, then you lost me.

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    All right then cg. The authorities are not entitled to his vehicles unless they bought and paid for them, even if the law allows them to seize and auction. The article said the professor's behavior was consistent with someone using controlled substances. He should be prosecuted for such if they can find the evidence, but he is due the return of both his vehicles...and the dope if he is to do the time for such.
    Seizures and forfeitures originated with property purchased from drug profits, we can assume he bought his vehicles with his college paycheck.
    The law also provides for the confiscation of money used in the drug trade, because it has not had tax paid on it. In all ethical honesty, the government is only due the tax from that money, about 33%, and the doper is due the remaining 66%. Instead we have law enforcement agencies fighting over this money, stealing it from it's rightful owner...with total disregard for any ethics or morals, like wild animals fighting over a carcass.
    There would be more uproar if today's society were focused on anything but the football winner take all midget minded mentality. Stealing is still stealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curious_george View Post
    I was with you when the topic was Lubbock police confiscating the drunk progressive's cars, presumably never to return
    You're saying it is fine to beat him hospital senseless because he is a progressive? Do you think the Obama sticker on his back window led to this?
    Last edited by MiraculousMutha; 09-18-2014 at 03:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    You're saying it is fine to beat him hospital senseless because he is a progressive?
    In a perfect world...

    They took one gun away from him and he refused to show his other hand. Follow directions, show your hands or let the beating begin.

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    CG, you got that right! The officer has a right to go home to his family at the end of his shift. Just as in war, there is no such thing as a "fair" fight. You WIN... or you go home in a box.

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    i get the impression this officer may not have been very big or very strong. Can you imagine what a spectacle all this must have made?

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    Big enough to kick a progtard's arse.

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    Except he wasn't being paid to kick his ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curious_george View Post
    Big enough to kick the progtard's arse.
    Haha! Your the first to realize today is talk like a Pirate Day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    All right then cg. The authorities are not entitled to his vehicles unless they bought and paid for them, even if the law allows them to seize and auction. The article said the professor's behavior was consistent with someone using controlled substances. He should be prosecuted for such if they can find the evidence, but he is due the return of both his vehicles...and the dope if he is to do the time for such.
    Seizures and forfeitures originated with property purchased from drug profits, we can assume he bought his vehicles with his college paycheck.
    The law also provides for the confiscation of money used in the drug trade, because it has not had tax paid on it. In all ethical honesty, the government is only due the tax from that money, about 33%, and the doper is due the remaining 66%. Instead we have law enforcement agencies fighting over this money, stealing it from it's rightful owner...with total disregard for any ethics or morals, like wild animals fighting over a carcass.
    There would be more uproar if today's society were focused on anything but the football winner take all midget minded mentality. Stealing is still stealing.
    When the money you get is due to doing something illegal, why should you get to keep that money?

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    Legal or illegal no one is entitled to something that belongs to someone else, unless they bought and paid for it. Just because people don't like dope dealers, they still worked for and earned that money. The only thing the government is entitled to is their taxes, about a third or so.
    The deception is to pick out someone who most don't particularly like such as druggers and take everything they own like Hitler did the Jews, transforming our law enforcement and courts into thieves no better than druggers, actually worth less since they are in the so called positions of trust. What a laugh.
    We have the executive branch crossing over into the territory of the judicial. Perfect example is the crooked DPS charging money on their point system for traffic violations. We also have local agencies taking property through seizure and forfeiture simply because they can, without shame, and no thought as to what is right, consideration of the principle, or even how bad that makes them look to the rest of us.
    Last edited by MiraculousMutha; 09-21-2014 at 05:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie View Post
    When the money you get is due to doing something illegal, why should you get to keep that money?
    If I were dictator for a day, "progressive professor" would be an illegal activity but afaik it is permissible under the current regime.

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    Why do you keep assuming this professor might be a progressive, liberal Democrat?
    We both know why....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    Why do you keep assuming this professor might be a progressive, liberal Democrat?
    We both know why....
    A tenured professor at a public university; what are the odds?

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    The odds are pretty good that an educated professional would be a member of the Democratic Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    The odds are pretty good that an educated professional would be a member of the Democratic Party.
    So we agree. Why then did you question my assumption?

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    Like I also said, we both know why..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraculousMutha View Post
    Like I also said, we both know why..
    I think we would agree systemic indoctrination is an effective technique. If all educators are progressive, by and large they are, it stands to reason those "educated" would be too.

    Osmosis : a process of absorption or diffusion suggestive of the flow of osmotic action; especially : a usually effortless often unconscious assimilation

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    I was thinking more along the lines of logic and reasoning rather than brainwashing.

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    Reasoning presupposes exposure to varying points of view. When one is "educated" in only one world view the only logical outcome is brainwashing.

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    We might say the same thing about you, but that is no more true for you than it is us.
    The only assumption left to make is placing your interests first, be it guns or tax dollars. My contention all along has been the root of the Republican Party's leadership is their blessed money, the other planks in their platform being bait to suck in voters.

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    MM, please correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will ), but this is how I perceive the relationship of money to each of the two political parties.

    Republicans believe, very strongly, that money or physical possessions (wealth) should belong exclusively to the person or entity that earned it, whether through entrepreneurship or some other legal means of acquisition, and that each person or entity should be responsible for himself and family.

    Democrats believe, very strongly, that wealth is communal... to be shared by all members of the community, whether they earned it or not. That is where the now-common phrase "redistribution of wealth" comes from, and that concept has created a "you owe me" mentality among the "have-nots", making them totally and completely dependent upon the government for subsistence.

    Unfortunately, this dependence on the government is addictive, and results in an electorate that becomes more and more "democratic". The following quote has been attributed to many different authors, but regardless of who wrote it or said it, it appears to be true, judging by what we are seeing today.

    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."

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    So basically if you're a democrate you believe that you ARE entitled to things that do not belong to you and that you did not pay for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cecil View Post
    MM, please correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will ), but this is how I perceive the relationship of money to each of the two political parties.

    Republicans believe, very strongly, that money or physical possessions (wealth) should belong exclusively to the person or entity that earned it, whether through entrepreneurship or some other legal means of acquisition, and that each person or entity should be responsible for himself and family.

    Democrats believe, very strongly, that wealth is communal... to be shared by all members of the community, whether they earned it or not. That is where the now-common phrase "redistribution of wealth" comes from, and that concept has created a "you owe me" mentality among the "have-nots", making them totally and completely dependent upon the government for subsistence.

    Unfortunately, this dependence on the government is addictive, and results in an electorate that becomes more and more "democratic". The following quote has been attributed to many different authors, but regardless of who wrote it or said it, it appears to be true, judging by what we are seeing today.

    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
    But where is the line drawn for what should be something the government pays for and things that you should only get because you have enough money to get it? Should we privatize schools, police, fire departments and all health care? If you are young, old, or incapable of working, should we just leave them on the side of the road? And if we do that, wouldn't they be in the way?

    Lets just look at a situation like the Ebola outbreak in West Africa that has now come knocking at our door.. and not too many miles away. If the Drs and hospitals can turn away everyone that can't pay for care, then we would have lots of people getting very sick at home and moving around the population because they can't afford to go to the Dr. They don't stay home from work at the first signs of illness.. they drag through as long as they can.. because they have to. But actually this already happens..even with our present health care system. If someone can't afford to take off work, or pay for a Drs. visit, they will put off heading there until they are so bad that the ambulance has to pick them up. We have just been fortunate enough to not have anything in the country in a very long time that spreads so easily by contact and is as life threatening as this can. Look around at the people who can't afford health care and don't have sick leave... they are the ones cooking and serving your food, taking your money and handing you the change... and they have sent their sick kids to school because there is no one at home to watch them while they go to work.

    The reason the Ebola virus has spread like it has in West Africa is because of a lack of education, lack of health care and extreme poverty.

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    You sure need to take care of health issues, education and living conditions for the needy. But, if we don,t start weaning some folks off the programs that do not really need help, we will loose the programs because of lack of funding. We need more Americans working than being on government assistance. The government work plans won't provide the incentive because they are controlled atmospheres. It has to be independent employers with the freedom to promote employees. Capitalism is what fuels a democratic society, balance that with some Socialism and it will probably work. Right now the scales are way off. It only takes a close look at the turmoil in the government and how it is being managed to see the problem. We need to fire the POTUS and hire someone with experience and the cojones to start weaning politicians and the public off off the dole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy JP View Post
    We need to fire the POTUS and hire someone with experience and the cojones to start weaning politicians and the public off off the dole.
    Come on.. this has been the battle cry for decades and decades... doesn't matter which party or who is in the White House. The problem is that the problem can't be completely fixed.

    No one wants anyone living off the government that has the physical and mental capacity to find and hold a job. No one wants little kids to be hungry, sick and uneducated. How to go about finding a way to help those in need while avoiding handing out crutches to those who don't really need them, is where the problem lies. Someone always takes advantage of the programs. Putting up more defenses tends to hurt those in need and doesn't ever fix the problem.

    I have noticed that with our society moving in a direction of condoning everything, it seems we have more and more people being part of the problem. You can blame it on the liberals, but I can tell you I know a lot of conservatives who don't have the "cajones" to stand up against what used to be considered a moral decline. I'm talking about looking around me here in the small towns.. not what the party platform is or what the politicians are saying or the glutton of political talk show hosts. Gripe about the government all you want, but it's what's going on in the neighborhood that makes a difference. I'm not sure how it got here or if there is any way to turn this boat around... but if it doesn't happen at the local level, it's not going to happen at the national level.

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    Amen! Stand up! Speak up! We can't afford to sit idly by and do nothing when our country is going down the tubes.

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    Saw this link on Facebook. The traveler's explanation sounded legit enough to me that this shouldn't have happened. Ive never been to Vegas, can you get your winnings in some form other than cash?

    Even if you are innocent, you have to have the money and time to fight this battle. Fortunately this guy decided to make the effort. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/10...ries-to-steal/
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