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    Youth Sports Facilities

    I saw where Abilene Youth Sports Authority has been given the go ahead by the Abilene City Council, to build a new 55,000 sq. ft. youth sports facility. The AYSA has 30 months to raise the $7.5 million needed for the project. The article states that "The City will be responsible for about $1.67 million worth of upgrades if an agreement is reached, and they will also need to spend around $630,000 to reconstruct Transformation Trail." This is for youth sports outside of school sports.
    http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/ne...-facility-plan

    I saw the new baseball fields in Cisco that opened this past weekend. Beautiful!

    But... as these elaborate facilities are popping up, I wonder if it's really what is needed. There's usually a cost associated with these parks for those in attendance... and the cost can start getting a little steep for some people who don't really have the money to spend on watching youth basketball or baseball... especially if they have more than one kid on more than one league.. and then they are paying for the two parents and whatever kids they have that aren't in that league. It adds up .

    And on the cost of youth sports... my, it's gotten expensive to get your kid involved. $50 - $60 for registration, the cost of equipment and at least part of the uniform. Then you have to see if you have a coach who sits your kid on the bench most of the time or gives them as much play time as those kids who come with skills.

    By the way.. whatever happened to our local United Way/Fund (whatever it was called) group who used to be the headquarters for gathering donations and then doling it out to different youth leagues so the cost to participants was minimal?

    I guess it's the socialist in me, but I like things to be free for kids (or at least very low cost) so they have the same opportunity as other kids do (and I like that parents can come cheer their children on without it being an economic burden). I like that all kids get to play at the elementary age level so the pool to pick from when they are older is a little deeper. I like it when kids starting off in sports can love it because it really is fun instead of hating it because they aren't getting to play or are being chastised, embarrassed or picked on.

    This is not spoken as a mommy/grandmommy who has never been involved in the competitive nature of the sports... I've organized and ran softball leagues, was an officer in t-ball and and little league. I was an ASA umpire. I coached t-ball and little league.... and I played a little softball for a few years in my past.

    I found it was very easy as a coach to give everyone equal playing time. There were ways to set up the younger leagues so the game wasn't all about who had a pitcher and who didn't. It can be set up where walking isn't part of the game and the good practice of fielding the ball comes into play more (which has more kids on the field actually participating in the game).

    And back to the fancy new facilities... There's something rewarding about working with what you have and figuring out how to get by with it. To look at a profession ballpark in awe and think.. wow... wouldn't it be cool to play on that field.. or that stadium. But now our kids are getting all that as they walk out on the field or court for the first time to play. They may indeed be disappointed when moving from some of these facilities to the high school facility. But then again.. someone will decide we need the biggest and best at our schools and want us all to buy that. Does it really make better, smarter players? Does this add to the entitlement attitude that seems so prevalent among today's youth? Is it really beneficial to anything except the possibility of hosting games and bringing in traveling money?

    Maybe the question is...are youth sports for the development of children or the development of local economy?

    Rant over.

    PS.. Since no one seems to be here anymore, I've decided to just use the Spin for my personal rant page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie View Post
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    PS.. Since no one seems to be here anymore, I've decided to just use the Spin for my personal rant page.
    Like a blog?

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    Quote Originally Posted by curious_george View Post
    Like a blog?
    Well.. I'm hoping eventually Ill come across something that will strike a nerve and we'll have a debate.

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    I am getting hammered in 2 places now by some Finland rifle collectors in Finland in favor of their antique finish.
    For my pushing the pine & birch tar oil finish, they call my finish a legend that will not die.
    They are jealous because it is so simple & natural, where as their version is using dyes & asphalt for the stain. Pine tar & birch is a really fine oil misnamed tar for you can make a tar or pitch out of it. Pine oil & birch oil will find the natural figure & disfigure in birch wood & highlight it in the finish. Like fiddle back small & large, even a motley spots of light & dark spots all over the wood with a marbled appearance. It can give a beautiful finish to birch rifle stocks. Here is one. http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...s-at-SA-Kauppa

    It is hell being retired all you want to do is argue about something.

    And now I am waiting on a lost cause on the stupid crane accident in New York. The truth will be a long time coming out to the light.
    Here is a sample of the newest in Manitowoc cranes. You can find a rating chart in there some place that shows just close it was to the max lift.
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    Mingus, I am truly worried about you! What on earth does a wood finish on gun butts have to do with kids baseball??????? Julie made a sincere post concerning money being wasted on elaborate fields for sports for children. For the sake of the Spin, Mingus, GATHER yourself!!!!!!

    Julie, I as questioning the disappearance of good old sandlot baseball? It gave the kids a place to gather and compete. It also let the "stand-outs" be known.
    Walk softly and carry a big stick.

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    Lamb I give you and the old goat something to bitch about & you do show up.
    Julie said anything that struck a nerve, so get with it smart axx.
    I had 30 million hits on the finish and a fight World-wide what do you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lamb View Post
    Mingus, I am truly worried about you! What on earth does a wood finish on gun butts have to do with kids baseball??????? Julie made a sincere post concerning money being wasted on elaborate fields for sports for children. For the sake of the Spin, Mingus, GATHER yourself!!!!!!

    Julie, I as questioning the disappearance of good old sandlot baseball? It gave the kids a place to gather and compete. It also let the "stand-outs" be known.
    I don't see sandlot baseball ever showing up again... at least not in our neck of the woods. Sandlot had a lot of kids showing up to play, unassisted by parents. I remember going out in the middle of a field with friends to play and we used ball gloves for bases, etc. We played football nearly every day.. in someone's front yard or in the front yard of the elementary school (I still have a scar on my shin from turning around after catching the ball and colliding with a sapling that had just been planted in the middle of our football field at my elementary school). But now kids seem only interested in online stuff.. games, youtube.. anything that doesn't require physical activity. Youth sports is all that's left of an attempt by parents to get their kids to get outside and do something.

    When my boys were younger, they rode bicycles all over town. We had no contact with them when they were out of sight and they were on their own to get back home at the appointed time. I never purchased a Nintendo because after they brought a borrowed one home for a couple of days, I realized it was nothing more than something to fight over and sit in the house with. I seldom see kids on bikes or outside playing these days.

    See I think kids out on their own for periods of time is important. On a bicycle they get to spend years learning to watch out for traffic around them, how to navigate from here to there. They have judgement calls to make. By the time they get old enough to drive a car, watching out for others comes naturally. So.. I think we may be producing crappier drivers, crappier members of society and people with very little common sense because all they've learned is how to operate a touch screen or game controllers. When you crash on a bike, it hurts. When you crash on a video game, no pain and you get to start over. Which of those experiences is better at preparing you for life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamb View Post
    Mingus, I am truly worried about you! What on earth does a wood finish on gun butts have to do with kids baseball??????? Julie made a sincere post concerning money being wasted on elaborate fields for sports for children. For the sake of the Spin, Mingus, GATHER yourself!!!!!!
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    I am sure this may be not be understandable to you mutton head but I have just received $800.00 credit to my bank account for questioning the bank & who the money was going to in the bad faith insurance scam. The bank is trying to go back 5 years on their own to get my money back on the crooked long term health insurance , without involving lawyers.
    http://eastlandspin.com/showthread.p...cal-178-in-DFW.

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    Mingus, if sandlot does make it back, lots of fond memories, and maybe a pine tar finish on the bats. Kids need to make their own decisions early on, just a little bit, it builds character. Too, many parents are into the video games for their own convenience as a sitter for their kids. Get em out of the house into the sun, run and fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy JP View Post
    Mingus, if sandlot does make it back, lots of fond memories, and maybe a pine tar finish on the bats. Kids need to make their own decisions early on, just a little bit, it builds character. Too, many parents are into the video games for their own convenience as a sitter for their kids. Get em out of the house into the sun, run and fun.
    Ok I see you do not appreciate the years I have spent into making a ancient product into a useful modern product leads me to this.

    What children need to have is a balanced life education that is not being taught in todays school's and it is not even being offered in todays higher learning faculties.

    Some would call it life's experience, the old saying there is a fool born every minute, should not be. But it is, I am the ever loving proof of this. Oh I learned reading, writing & arithmetic, but very little else.

    You have the Johnny Mansiels of this in football, it seems he was only created to be a football star by his parents. And Ole Tiger Woods of golf.

    Big money & fame is the game, starting in grade school. Carried over in high school, going into collage. Into Pro sports with injuries turning them into near zombies by the age of 30. Very very few of our youth will be as competitive as the top stars of today.

    This brings the resources spent in creating such elaborate faculties into question is it worth it.

    What should be taught is how to be successful in fending off crooks, con games and liars. Lying should carry a jail sentence, stealing anything should carry a prison sentence. And I am talking about people close to me.

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    Having been raised in the Big Thicket of East Texas, I assure you we know all about the uses of pine resin, rich pine, pine tar and lighter pine. You must understand at some point that your passion does not extend past your nose in some instances. Don't see kids playin Red Rover, Hide and Seek and especially Cowboys and Indians anymore either.

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    Well I was to busy picking cotton for most of that age & then the girls kicked in. Did you ever clean mohair? Maybe before your time.
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    When I was growing up I could often refered to myself as a exalted member of the haves & haves not.
    Why I could have set all kinds of fashionable trends such as the worn jeans with holes & slits. Even today at 80 I stll wear the jeans, no holes but well worn & I have supenders to hold them up. My waist is something else, nothing to hold anything up.

    Back in the Truman & Ike place in time, things were a bit harder then the times are now.
    Not much time for Red Ryder or Hopalong. We had a pecan orchard on the Brazo River to pick if not stuck in the damn cotton field.
    Kids nowdays need less illegals and more farm work
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    http://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/mckinney-stop-tens-millions-dollars-high-school-football-stadiums/


    Now the youth ball park I started this with looks like a bargain. McKinney ISD wants a $62 m event center (football field). Nice article

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    We have a bit of rivalry between the Rival ex-cottonfields of McKinney, Friso & Allen.
    The white flight & growth out of Dallas Northward is beginning to go to their heads.
    Used to be anywhere North of LBJ, now it is Collin County.
    Having the Cowboys involved in there is not helping.

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    You make as much sense as a three-year-old monkey with a protruding belly button!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamb View Post
    You make as much sense as a three-year-old monkey with a protruding belly button!
    Is this signs of inbreeding? Or mentally insane ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamb View Post
    You make as much sense as a three-year-old monkey with a protruding belly button!
    Posts from another thread.

    "This is not a complicated issue for me. At the risk of offending.......if you have a penis, you belong in the men's restroom; if not you belong in the women's restroom....problem solved."

    "If not you belong in the women's restroom....problem solved."


    "That may have solved your problem but what about men that has one? Specifics mutton head Specifics."

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    Dave you taking up for the inbred idiot? If he is attacking me because he trying to be a smart ass let him answer. You people have turned into a mob, but I like mobs.
    So lets get it on.

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    Moan-Gus, we enjoy your kind words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
    Moan-Gus, we enjoy your kind words.
    You should, you started it. So enjoy.

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    Julie, sounds like your getting ready for the school bond debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bird52 View Post
    Julie, sounds like your getting ready for the school bond debate.
    Well actually I wasn't. I posted this before I realized they were about to go another round with the school bond thing.

    I'm waiting to see what they propose this time around that may make a tax increase easier to swallow.

    I know the debt the school has is choking them, but with that debt out of the way, what's to keep more emergencies from coming up and having more debt to deal with along with whatever they end up having to pay on this proposed bond?

    It's nice to have the nice shiny new stuff.. and I'm sure a lot of it is needed. It just amazes me the cost of things these days.

    I do know that this time around they will work on being more transparent about all the planning... so we'll wait and see how they develop this plan.

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    it isn't getting cheaper.

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